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Post by voodoochikin04 on Nov 27, 2020 2:26:52 GMT -5
I'm glad you approve!!
So what finish was originally on here. Is it some type of japaning? It doesn't feel like paint. And surprisingly held up well in hotter areas.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Nov 27, 2020 21:20:16 GMT -5
Got the paint on today. This stuff is pricey at $110/gal my friend didnt mention that till after it was done. We kind of went back and forth on the idea of using a different color for it, like royal blue, white, and this cool metallic copper. But in the end settled on black with gloss clear coat.
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Post by pooka on Nov 28, 2020 2:06:40 GMT -5
Looks good, but it ought to at $110/gal. When you think about it, it's worth it in the long run. You don't want to be stingy if you want it to hold up for a lifetime. So what finish was originally on here. Is it some type of japaning? It doesn't feel like paint. And surprisingly held up well in hotter areas. We're not sure, but in an old mid 30s write up about Indiana businessmen, they give a short description of the factory, & mention a japanning department.
There was a discussion either here or on the Rangers site not long ago about paint. A new member was very knowledgeable about paint. According to him, black paint was used on everything made of steel, because up until I think it was 1926 or so, colored paints could take a week or two to cure. Japanning was a common method of speeding the curing time of black paint. After 1926, new formulations of paint quickened curing time for all paints.
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Post by nana on Nov 28, 2020 6:22:59 GMT -5
Something tells me this stove will look fantastic when all is said and done!
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Nov 28, 2020 11:48:42 GMT -5
One thing I learned is that this "paint" did not appear to have any type of primer, and it would rub off with lacquer thinner. Also the metal underneath was very smooth. The japanning methods I'm familiar with involved baking on, which I thought made it not nearly as suceptable to chemicals. But I'm not very knowledgeable on this stuff. .
So this paint is expensive because it's a high quality outdoor sign paint. This company makes billboards, message centers, and other big outdoor signage structures. My friend said they paint over rust, pits, and other imperfections in "new" and old steel. It holds up extremely well to UV and heat. So we will see!
As far as the overall stove will look. I'm not touching the porcelain panels, and really unsure what I'm doing with the top yet. I REALLY like the white tops on those rarer 4burner Chambers. For some reason that has grown on me. But I don't want to have it stripped and porcelained*
So all this work and from the outside, it's gonna look like the day I brought it home lol!
As I was ending this post... Thin pyrolized oil coating would really hold up well.
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Post by lkeriegirl on Nov 30, 2020 17:02:01 GMT -5
Got the paint on today. This stuff is pricey at $110/gal my friend didnt mention that till after it was done. We kind of went back and forth on the idea of using a different color for it, like royal blue, white, and this cool metallic copper. But in the end settled on black with gloss clear coat.
[/div][/quote] Oh no! Your stove is naked! I can't look, this is terrifying.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Nov 30, 2020 22:34:58 GMT -5
should look back when it was filthy!!
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Post by mach12 on Nov 30, 2020 22:40:08 GMT -5
What type of primer did you use?
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Dec 1, 2020 1:36:50 GMT -5
I can't remember the name of it but it's a commercial acid etch primer.
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Post by mach12 on Dec 1, 2020 3:06:51 GMT -5
I've really had good luck using etching primers and I wondered whether that's what you were using. When I was in the Navy we used a lot of an acid etch primer called Formula 117 Pretreatment and it was amazing stuff and worked on a multitude of metals. The ships are mainly steel and aluminum so having something that worked with both was helpful. I remember going through the shipyard the first time and how, when they sandblasted the ship, you could see a blue tint to the metal that had been coated with the pretreatment and there was no corrosion except in some spots where there was electrolysis corrosion where the aluminum and the steel met. We'd paint those seams with zinc chromate, which is now outlawed for almost all uses. Same with the red lead paint we used to use. That Formula 117 really made a believer of me.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Dec 1, 2020 10:57:28 GMT -5
Im pretty sure the primer was also matthews brand. its a non-chromate low VOC primer. Commercial grade (it was the yellow stuff, funny because people I sent those photos to liked the yellow color lol). Their slogan is "The World’s Finest Coating For Architectural Signage" So it should hold up well. The main concern I have is radiant heat from the broiler box area. I thought about lining that area with 600degree flue tape. The reflective kind, just to help out. I also thought about using that flue tape around the oven floor under the floor panel and box, where the seam would be. Thats the only parts that were rusty on the stove body floor in the oven area, was right where the seam around the floor panel is.
speaking of dis-similar metals. When I was building reefer trailers for Great Dane, we used some really thick plastic tape (think milk jug thickness) between aluminum and steel. Even with the steel being coated in a tar like undercoating. seemed to work great.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Dec 31, 2020 19:46:36 GMT -5
So finally got the bill for the paint, at my friends company cost mind you..... $300... 2qts of Verathane Acid etch primer @$112/qt!!! Had no idea it was THAT pricey. The black paint and clear was $30/qt.
was expecting less than $150 for the materials to paint. This stove restore is getting pricey!! I think I've decided to send my top and maybe some small parts off to Salt lake to get new chrome as well. Bought some boxes of new fasteners so I dont have to clean and paint a bunch of small slotted screws.
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Post by Chuckie on Dec 31, 2020 21:31:59 GMT -5
So finally got the bill for the paint, at my friends company cost mind you..... $300... 2qts of Verathane Acid etch primer @$112/qt!!! Had no idea it was THAT pricey. The black paint and clear was $30/qt. was expecting less than $150 for the materials to paint. This stove restore is getting pricey!! I think I've decided to send my top and maybe some small parts off to Salt lake to get new chrome as well. Bought some boxes of new fasteners so I dont have to clean and paint a bunch of small slotted screws. ..."in for a PENNY, in for a POUND!!" LOL, that's the Chambers way!! I replaced ALL the screws on ours w/stainless steel, regular nuts & phillips heads. My top is porcelain on the "B" and Imperial, but my SIL got her chrome "C" redone in KC, NOT cheap wherever you go!! Her stove is only show-n-tell unfortunately, so it still looks brand new. Folks who have used Salt Lake SWEAR by them, so there's that to be said. Good luck, better go get a paper route to go along w/your full time job, you're quit a ways from finish!! LOL CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Jan 1, 2021 0:45:27 GMT -5
I was standing in front of the stainless screws trying to decide if I should go that route.. and decided to just do the zinc coated fasteners. i'm still on the fence if I should take them back and get stainless.
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Post by pooka on Jan 1, 2021 0:51:46 GMT -5
If you're going to do a job like this, you might as well go top shelf on your supplies if the budget allows. You'll appreciate it, & those after you will too. That said, that is a shockingly pricey paint. Once you're done, you can take pride in the job well done for the rest of your life.
I've likened these stoves to vintage cars. In that realm, some go for original methods & materials to make it like factory fresh again. Others respect the machine, but use up to date methods & materials to make it better than new. Kinda like a special edition. The same machine, but with special attention to fit & finish using the best of what's available today. Then you have those on the wild side. They don't mind a rougher, well worn look. You can get all the mechanics in top shape under the skin, but otherwise leave the patina of a hard life as a well earned badge of honor for surviving, & still plugging along. A crusty old specimen can still outdo a pretty modern stove.
A thing doesn't have to pretty to be useful. It is nice if it is though. Some of my favorite things are well broken in, & show it. Something weathered by time & use often has it's own kind of elegance. The Japanese have a word for it. The word Wabi-sabi has a meaning that's a bit more complex though. There's a whole philosophy of the beauty of impermanence & imperfections. It's kinda deep. It's an idea that's hard to describe.
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Post by mach12 on Jan 1, 2021 11:48:27 GMT -5
So finally got the bill for the paint, at my friends company cost mind you..... $300... 2qts of Verathane Acid etch primer @$112/qt!!! Had no idea it was THAT pricey. The black paint and clear was $30/qt. was expecting less than $150 for the materials to paint. This stove restore is getting pricey!! I think I've decided to send my top and maybe some small parts off to Salt lake to get new chrome as well. Bought some boxes of new fasteners so I dont have to clean and paint a bunch of small slotted screws. I'm always shocked when I go to the auto paint store. And then there's the stuff you have to buy so you don't kill yourself or make your place an ecological clean-up site. I used to be able to shoot a car for less than $100 but those days are long gone. When we restored our BZ we were bumping $5K by the time it was boiling beans but it's worth every penny. I was shocked by how much my electric bill dropped and when I compared the cost of propane we were saving a big chunk of money. And that was before I started doing much cooking with the gas turned off. I need to redo it now that our bottles are going longer between refills. If I remember right were were saving $100/month and that's been several years (Nov 2017) so we're looking at $3600 savings in our case - if I'm remembering the details correctly. And who knows how much I've saved on food. I love to cook and I love to tinker on old stove and cars and I'm terrible about putting something in the Thermowell and then, after I turn the gas off, going out and getting involved in something and losing track of time. Like the other day when the precut pieces for the winch mount I'm putting on my old Army Surplus Chevy pickup came. I opened the package and next thing I know I have the welding clamps out and am fitting it all to the brush guard on the truck. My wife came out and asked when I figured the roast would be ready - 30 minutes after I should have taken it out. The roast didn't care. By the time I cleaned up and then went in and took it out I was about an hour over but the roast didn't care. I really, really like that stove! It's pricey to do a proper, full restoration like you are but it comes with returns, some that are easy to quantify and some not so easy, but one thing that's nice is that it's pretty darned likely that it'll be the last time you have to do it. Our kids will be deciding what to do with our stove, hopefully years from now, because it's not going anywhere.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Jan 1, 2021 20:52:06 GMT -5
I appreciate all the words Steve! It can be in the budget to do whatever I decide to do with this stove. My original idea was just to clean it up, paint any rusty areas and use it. But that went out the window a while ago lol. That primer is a high end industrial coating, so it is what it is. Here was my thought when I decided to not use stainless fasteners. (price was not a concern). I thought, well if I use stainless fasteners i run the risk of galling and seizing the nuts if I don't use antisieze. And after years of applying antisieze, I didn't want to haha... Then I thought well I could use zinc nuts.. then I thought if I'm gonna use zinc nuts might as well just use zinc fasteners. So if that gives any insight into my thought process.
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Post by Chuckie on Jan 1, 2021 21:22:27 GMT -5
I appreciate all the words Steve! It can be in the budget to do whatever I decide to do with this stove. My original idea was just to clean it up, paint any rusty areas and use it. But that went out the window a while ago lol. That primer is a high end industrial coating, so it is what it is. Here was my thought when I decided to not use stainless fasteners. (price was not a concern). I thought, well if I use stainless fasteners i run the risk of galling and seizing the nuts if I don't use antisieze. And after years of applying antisieze, I didn't want to haha... Then I thought well I could use zinc nuts.. then I thought if I'm gonna use zinc nuts might as well just use zinc fasteners. So if that gives any insight into my thought process. LOL, well, you're W-A-A-A-A-A-Y ahead of MY thought process--I ONLY used S.S., so the NEXT poor sucker wouldn't have to go through what I did!! Now I realize it wasn't an ISSUE!! LOL Oh well, let 'em suffer like we did!!!
On an aside, I got me COVID test results back late this afternoon---NEGATIVE again!!! So I'll be bowing out again for awhile!!!
CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Apr 15, 2021 21:15:19 GMT -5
Well... I've been at a stand still since assembling my broiler box and getting all my parts painted..
I have intentionally put off doing anything further, because im dreading doing the re-stuffing of the insulation.
Where do I find motivation haha.
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Post by nana on Apr 16, 2021 7:08:09 GMT -5
Think about all the things you could be baking with the gas turned off!
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Post by mach12 on Apr 21, 2021 10:09:24 GMT -5
Where do I find motivation
My brain instantly goes to remembering a Chief I work for in the Navy. I'd ask him where to find something, anything, and he'd come back with his totally unhelpful standard reply For example for finding motivation, he'd say "try the "M" section of Webster's". I'd shake my head and think "Yeah, and I'd find you in the "I" section under idiot. Now I find myself biting my tongue to stay away from that kind of a reply and becoming the idiot myself lol.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Apr 21, 2021 20:04:30 GMT -5
ahh.. thats funny.. Ive found myself doing yard work and playing with new toys. picked up a 2019 polaris general 1000 side by side last week.
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