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Post by Chuckie on Oct 28, 2017 10:11:59 GMT -5
Well, we HAVE been working away on the Imperial, and it's starting to look like a STOVE again!!! Got the front panel on, and dwayner is stuffing his heart out!! Kinda like the scarecrow on the Wizard of Oz, gettin' restuffed!!All stuffed, and tops on!!More pix to follow, as I can upload!! CHEERS! Chuckie (& dwayner)
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 28, 2017 10:30:36 GMT -5
In my part-time job shuttling cars, I have driven by this place off Shawnee Mission Drive in Merriam. Thought I should check to see about Chambers stove springs, so dwayner & I did a road trip yesterday: Dwayner had brought a BAG of B & C springs, and we asked Heather the receptionist about them maybe manufacturing them to sell as SETS to potential Chambers customers. She says follow her to the shop, and she'd let us talk to Neil. Shop was a VERY busy--and NOISY--place!! Over a DOZEN or more late 1800's-early to mid-1900's machines scattered throughout the shop, humming along not so quietly! My photography is a little "shaky" to say the least!!! This photo shows wire being fed into one of the machine, as it spits out the finished product unseen in the back: We meet w/Neil, and tell him what we're wanting. He says that yes, they can make ANY spring, BUT the setup charge is like $80!!! He did go on to say, though, that IF we had "blueprints", the initial charge would be "considerably less" (are you reading this, Pooka? Got any blueprints in your collection(s) of the actual SPRINGS?) He goes on to tell us they have "boxes and BOXES" of seconds, overruns, miss-cuts, etc., and we are MORE than welcome to rummage through them. Dwayner (and I!) were like two kids in a candy store!!! And he wasn't lying about the "boxes and BOXES"!! I told dwayner those larger springs in the box & on the floor looked like those ones from "Acme" that Wily E. Coyote used to wear on his feet!! S-o-o-o-o-o after rummaging & digging for over an HOUR, this was our haul: "Fuzzy Photo" again, but you get the pic. On the left you can see the BIG pile of springs that will work for the oven doors; we had QUITE a few more in a deep box too . I showed Heather said box and asked what we owed her, and braced myself (keep in mind we maybe had two DOZEN or more different springs!). She hemmed & hawed, and said "oh, how bout $20 for our Fridays' pizza fund?" Don't you know we jumped on THAT like a duck on a junebug!! So IF we can come up w/some "spec sheets" for the springs, we MAY have found a new SUPPLIER!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by vaporvac on Oct 28, 2017 10:53:09 GMT -5
This is one of the most fascinating posts yet. I love places like this. Great find!!!!! Let us know the result.
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Post by pooka on Oct 28, 2017 13:12:54 GMT -5
Chuckie, It would be the Holy Grail to have any blueprints. Alas, I have none.
I took mechanical drawing 1, 2, 3 & 4 in high school, but I'm way out of practice. I learned to do it with paper & pencils. If I could sit down & focus with some examples & proper measuring devices & drawing tools, I might be able to make some drawings, but I don't think I'm up to it. Today, these drawings are done on computers with CAD programs. For someone who's trained with CAD, making these drawings would be fairly simple.
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Post by nana on Oct 29, 2017 9:20:29 GMT -5
People rarely think about where common, ubiquitous objects like springs come from. But obviously, they don't just rain down from the sky--they have to be made somewhere. It was really interesting and somehow comforting to learn that those old machines are just plugging away, doing their job, no need to "modernize".
I am certainly no expert, but wouldn't blueprints of the springs you need be a description of the length, thickness of the wire, and diameter of the circle it makes when it is all the way compressed? Or do they need an actual picture?
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 30, 2017 1:48:43 GMT -5
Well, as you can see by the "post" time, methinks dwayner is conspiring w/da Monkey to do me IN!!! Actually, TWO of the MAJOR delays tonight WERE---of course!-- MY fault!! First off I "straightened" the yokes that held the manifold in place, only to have dwayner discover (after over an HOUR of twisting/turning parts around!) that the yokes were MEANT to be bent that way for the manifold to FIT!! So we get THAT done, then FINALLY break for supper about 7:00 or so. After eating, we go back out, and I had "lost" two of the support rods for the burners, so dwayner had to manufacture them outta some stock HE bought @ Menards (do you see a "pattern" here-- dwayner is doing E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G!!!) So he cuts those & drills them, and voila!! (his are in the foreground, "intact" short one in back): We ( HE!!) also got the thermowell and broiler box on. That is his FIRST Keystone of the day--approx. 11:30 p.m.!!! We managed to maneuver "the beast" to where we had enough room to set up sawhorses, flip it, and just "set" the top on for the night ( MAN, is she putting on WEIGHT since reassembly!!): It is now 1:55 a.m., and my arse is dragging the GROUND!!! Animal Man--a/k/a dwayner--wants to be out there at "six-thirty or 7 in the morning" so guess I best drag this tired sack of bones to B-E-D!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by dwayner2 on Oct 30, 2017 1:56:19 GMT -5
Ooooops, Chuckie man beat me to the posting. The following post is in reference to the spring manufacturing...... That's kinda what I would think but evidently it's a tedious process that involves setting the machine and recording the proper size and settings to make an exact duplicate. I'd think it would be worth it to have mainly those springs that wear out sooner reproduced in mass to cut the cost...oven springs, folding top spring and the big spring on the broiler boxes. Most of the other springs can be traded here or matched at the hardware stores. Yet, that would still take several hundred dollars and that's a lot for anyone to invest in unless we could sell them all. I think Chuckie suggested having them find the specks for each spring so they would have it in their records for future members to order directly from them. Still, need that green stuff that don't grow on trees, sadly.
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Post by dwayner2 on Oct 30, 2017 2:03:38 GMT -5
And PS Chuckie, I might be able to fix or reproduce those lost or broken parts but YOU THE MAN of the restoration job because you took all those good pictures when you tore it apart 5 years ago, like Pooka and the notches needed in the oven floor. Don't count yourself short on this job that's for sure!!!
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Post by mach12 on Oct 30, 2017 13:55:07 GMT -5
Man Chuckie, I know what you mean with Dwayner! He gets so into it and loves the challenge so much that you almost don't want to get in his way, or at least that's how it seemed to me. And he has so much good info that he comes up with as he goes along.
That's really cool that you guys are taking pictures as it goes back together, too. That's info that just isn't out there. That picture of the top with the broiler box installed shows a major milestone.
You guys are doing a flat out awesome job and that Imperial is going to be so amazing to cook with. I think I see the light down there at the end of the tunnel!
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Post by karitx on Oct 30, 2017 17:46:15 GMT -5
Your spring store trip looks fascinating! And it's so exciting to see the Imperial coming back together - I think you need to start letting poor dwayner have a beer before 11:30, though!
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Post by nana on Oct 30, 2017 18:39:54 GMT -5
Is your kitchen big enough for an Imperial, Chuckie? What will you do with your current stove?
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Post by mach12 on Oct 30, 2017 20:44:47 GMT -5
Is your kitchen big enough for an Imperial, Chuckie? What will you do with your current stove? I'm not sure what the plan is but he has a wall between his kitchen and his enclosed back porch and that's why God made chainsaws.
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 30, 2017 23:04:33 GMT -5
Is your kitchen big enough for an Imperial, Chuckie? What will you do with your current stove? I'm not sure what the plan is but he has a wall between his kitchen and his enclosed back porch and that's why God made chainsaws. Tentative plans are it's going BACK to my Mom's (former) house 'shop' where it lived before, as there is "no room in the inn" here. "Empty space" is a R-A-R-E commodity in THIS household!!! That's why I dare not EVER let the hole I "carved" in the back porch refrigerator for my 30-pak of Natty Lite e'er get "filled in", or I'd NEVER get even a PINT of beer in there! We ( dwayner that is!) plugged away on the stove again today, and made some headway. That man has the patience of JOB, whilst I have the patience of a GNAT!!!! EVERY little item that should've taken 5-10 minutes took 2 - 3 HOURS!! Again, NUTHIN' frustrates dwayner, he's just like the pink energizer bunny, and keeps going & going & going.... We are having probs figuring out how the broiler springs hook up, and of course the top holes aren't lining up when we're trying to install the top. Wayne figured out how to align the broiler orifice so it would fit into the burner. I dunno HOW he don't blow a GASKET trying to cypher this stuff, as it frustrates the $HIT outta MOI!! And in true dwayner fashion, he had to reroute the broiler gas line, and it looks like something out of Better Homes & Gardens!! S-o-o-o-o-o-o, I guess pray for fortitude for the dwayner, as I dunno HOW the HELL he keeps going, and I'm as useless to him as tits on a boar hog!! Oh, the JOY of Chamberland!!! *sigh* CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by dwayner2 on Oct 30, 2017 23:28:49 GMT -5
Chuckie is too kind with his complements, I too have thrown a few "gaskets" the past few days so don't let him fool you too much about my so called mild demeanor. What frustrates me the most is trying to get your fingers or a tool in a tight hole and no matter how you approach it, your scewed. Give me a picture or pattern, a pile of scrap metal and a cutting torch and I'm all set. Give me 2 holes that don't line up unless you remove your last 2 hours of progress and I'm NOT a happy camper. I guess once I know how things should progress on a job and I have a set time to do it, I try to set goals for that day. If things go bad, I work late....all goes well, I jump on the next set of problems but call it an early day. We've had lots of stumbling blocks on this lady but as Chuckie said "We are a lot farther along on the job than I thought we'd be in 8 days." Like that ant and the rubber tree plant, gotta have HIGH HOPES! By the way Chuckie, should we tell everyone about the nickname we gave your Imperial....that evil queen of the sea?
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Post by mach12 on Oct 31, 2017 0:01:03 GMT -5
Sometimes the installation sequence is important too. I used to rebuild these big V-12 air cooled AVDS-1790 tank engines and they had all kinds of sheet metal to route the air from the fans of top of the engine so that it went across the fins on the cylinder jugs properly and each piece had to be put in place at exactly the right time as you reassembled the engine. I was just about to run an engine I had just finished into the dyno and looked over on my workbench and there was a piece of sheet metal I had straightened and set down there and totally forgot about it. I had to do about 2 hours of tear-down to get the piece in and then reassemble the engine. Frustrating as can be but you can be sure I never made that mistake again.
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Post by nana on Oct 31, 2017 13:58:16 GMT -5
You may say you lack patience but you take the cake when it comes to colorful language, Chuckie!
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 31, 2017 18:50:52 GMT -5
You may say you lack patience but you take the cake when it comes to colorful language, Chuckie! Mea culpa, Nana!!! Although I DO often "get a lil' more colourful vocally" over HERE where I CAN, vs. Todd's site. I was JUST so frustrated last night, and feeling worthless as to being an unfit "aide" to dwayner and also that the IMPERIAL-FROM-HELL will N-E-V-E-R go back together!!! I still have my doubts--and I'm inferring to the parts having been strewn betwixt about 3 (or MORE!) places, missing pieces, time lapse of FIVE years, not many "living specimens" to refer to picture wise, etc., et al and NOT the aforementioned dwayner's ability!! And dwayner even caught the "Chuckie Curse"--he'd set something down, not walk THREE FEET, and it would NOT be where he'd SET it, only to "appear" later !!! (methinks Mrs. Peppard our resident spirit has been working OVERTIME!!!) I can TOTALLY GUARANTEE ALL that were it NOT for Wayne, I'd of pushed that motherless son of a gun down in the GULLY @ the bottom of the hill by now where she BELONGS!!! I apologize for my 'blue language', but must PRE-apologize before proceeding, as I'm sure they'll be PUH- lenty more afore I'm done--- IF ever I LIVE that long!!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by pooka on Nov 1, 2017 0:21:24 GMT -5
Chuckie, we all have our different temperaments, skill & abilities. The strengths of one of us makes up for the weakness's of others. We're like puzzle pieces slotting together. That's what makes the world go round. Our friend & families are the mating pieces around us. If they're a good fit, our lives go on swimmingly. If not, we live a life of chaos & drama & perhaps pain. Let's say we average one another out. As long as we're all making an effort.
Don't fault yourself too much for your excitable nature. You're a good egg at your heart. You're a kind & giving guy with some human frailties. We all have them of one sort or another. If we were all alike, life would be dull & boring.
Recall the words of the Desiderata.
Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment it is as perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
by Max Ehrmann 1927
I have this framed on my wall to remind me to take heed of it's advice.
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Post by dwayner2 on Nov 1, 2017 1:11:10 GMT -5
Chuckie! You listen to Pooka now, he's right! Copied this post of mine from the other site talking about my adventures in the land of The Irish Pirate Queen..... So today we took a break from the stove so I could load up all the cool stuff Chuckie is giving me and pack for my trip back South....no, it's not all stove parts either. The trip back tomorrow has become more desperate for me since I saw white stuff falling from the sky today (locals call it snow I think). We Texans can't drive in that stuff so better get on the road! I'm planning to visit Jeff at IPE tomorrow morning and then come back to Chuckie and Monkey's house to wrap up a few things, do lunch and then head down I-35. I'm loaded down with truck and trailer so getting a slow 4 hour jump on Thursday drive might be a good idea. I think Chuckie mentioned that the double spring broiler lift system on this Imperial is about to eat our lunch figuring it out. But, thanks to Model74, MelissaF and Don Mattera sending us their pictures of some Model A's and older model stoves, we are close to figuring it out. Mach12 tried, but couldn't help us on this because his 3(?) Incinerator models don't have the same broiler and 58limited's Imperial is in pieces stored in his garage...sigh! Don's Imperial is not like Chuckie's and the other pictures we received each have different looking gears and spring mounts so all have great clues to solve the snaffoo. We actually got the lift working pretty good but we don't like where one spring rubs on the other gears. And, I'm wondering if there might have been a counter weight in back to help lift the GIANT cast iron griddle. If anyone has more info please feel free to enlighten a couple of head scratching goobers. I will say though, it's been another great time hanging out at Chuckie's and Monkey's place. Got a lot done on the Imperial, found that spring manufacturer in KC, stopping by IPE again and then,possibly finding a guy at Chuckie's part time job who can powder coat some thermowell lids, like Joshm posted about a few years back. Got to spend time with another old forum member Soslyvi (?) and her "Hubby"....did some tweaking on their model B.....and got to meet a new member Spencer down in AR. I ALSO learned a new saying out here in Leavenworth that Chuckie used a WHOLE LOT while working on the Imperial....I-D-F-K-W!!! Now you chaps will have to figure that one out on your own, kinda like a private joke soooooo...... Better hit the hay, 12:30 AM here and I need my beauty sleep, LOL.
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Post by nana on Nov 1, 2017 16:55:01 GMT -5
Chuckie, I meant it as a compliment! I love language and I always appreciate a well turned phrase. And you can turn a phrase with the best of them, Sir!
Pooka, those are some words to live by. Who is Max Ehrmann and what is the Desiderata? It sounds like something I would like to know a lot more about!
C'mon Dwayner, give us a hint...does the K in that acronym stand for Kansas?
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Post by Chuckie on Nov 1, 2017 19:23:43 GMT -5
Chuckie, I meant it as a compliment! I love language and I always appreciate a well turned phrase. And you can turn a phrase with the best of them, Sir! Pooka, those are some words to live by. Who is Max Ehrmann and what is the Desiderata? It sounds like something I would like to know a lot more about! C'mon Dwayner, give us a hint...does the K in that acronym stand for Kansas? 1. THANK YOU for your compliment, nana, as I was just at me wits end that night!! 2. We did that Desiderata in a Christmas pageant when I was in school. IF memory serves me, the Latin means like "desirous" or the like (I'd of FLUNKED Latin had I tooks it!--but DO know enough to be dangerous!). Back then, I was told it dated back to the Catholic desert hermit monks of the middle ages by the Nuns. This would ALL be easily solved IF I'd google before I post, but making a soup outta leftovers from dwayner's visit @ the moment, so a bit occupied & MUST dash back to kitchen... 3. All I can say is, the "K" stands for "know". Y'ALL figure out the REST!!! (OMG--- Y'ALL--been hangin' w/dat damned TEXAN too long!!) CHEERS! Smellin'-Soup-Burning=Chuckie {UPDATE TWO}: soup came out fine, and DELILSH too I might boastfully add!!!
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Post by pooka on Nov 1, 2017 21:25:05 GMT -5
nana, I'm quoting Wikipedia here. "Desiderata" (Latin: "desired things") is a 1927 prose poem by American writer Max Ehrmann. Largely unknown in the author's lifetime, the text became widely known after its use in devotional and spoken-word recordings in 1971 and 1972.DesiderataI have a print of it that looks like velum. I've had it for about twenty five years. I had it framed to hang in the first place I lived when I moved out on my own. It's such an insightful piece of prose, you can't help but be moved by it. It's sold as an inspirational print in many forms. Everyone should read & know of it. They are words to live by. Chuckie, Wikipedia under the heading of "History" says, In 1927 American writer Max Ehrmann (1872–1945) wrote the prose poem Desiderata, which was first published in The Poems of Max Ehrmann in 1948. In 1956, the Reverend Frederick Kates, rector of Saint Paul's Church in Baltimore, Maryland, included Desiderata in a compilation of devotional materials for his congregation. The compilation included the church's foundation date: "Old Saint Paul's Church, Baltimore AD 1692". Consequently, the date of the text's authorship was (and still is) widely mistaken as 1692, the year of the church's foundation.'My print says at the bottom, "Found in the old Saint Paul's Church, Baltimore 1692". It's date & origin have been muddled through the years since Reverend Frederick Kates 1956 printing of it. One thing I learned in checking my fact is that the author was from Terra Haute, IN, so he's a fellow Hoosier. There's a bronze statue of him at located on the Terre Haute Arts Corridor on the northwest corner of 7th Street and Wabash Avenue, the "Crossroads of America." It's near where he used to sit & write.
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Post by Chuckie on Nov 1, 2017 21:35:00 GMT -5
nana, I'm quoting Wikipedia here. "Desiderata" (Latin: "desired things") is a 1927 prose poem by American writer Max Ehrmann. Largely unknown in the author's lifetime, the text became widely known after its use in devotional and spoken-word recordings in 1971 and 1972.DesiderataI have a print of it that looks like velum. I've had it for about twenty five years. I had it framed to hang in the first place I lived when I moved out on my own. It's such an insightful piece of prose, you can't help but be moved by it. It's sold as an inspirational print in many forms. Everyone should read & know of it. They are words to live by. Chuckie, Wikipedia under the heading of "History" says, In 1927 American writer Max Ehrmann (1872–1945) wrote the prose poem Desiderata, which was first published in The Poems of Max Ehrmann in 1948. In 1956, the Reverend Frederick Kates, rector of Saint Paul's Church in Baltimore, Maryland, included Desiderata in a compilation of devotional materials for his congregation. The compilation included the church's foundation date: "Old Saint Paul's Church, Baltimore AD 1692". Consequently, the date of the text's authorship was (and still is) widely mistaken as 1692, the year of the church's foundation.'My print says at the bottom, "Found in the old Saint Paul's Church, Baltimore 1692". It's date & origin have been muddled through the years since Reverend Frederick Kates 1956 printing of it. One thing I learned in checking my fact is that the author was from Terra Haute, IN, so he's a fellow Hoosier. There's a bronze statue of him at located on the Terre Haute Arts Corridor on the northwest corner of 7th Street and Wabash Avenue, the "Crossroads of America." It's near where he used to sit & write. LOL, I came back and was updating MY post once soup put away, posted it, and THEN read yours!!! So I cut out what I edited/posted--'cept for update TWO--that the soup came out GOOD!! You proved once again we can ALWAYS count on our resident historian to set the facts STRAIGHT!!! THANKS pooka! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by nana on Nov 2, 2017 5:23:34 GMT -5
And here I thought my dad was the only person who could burn soup!
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Post by Chuckie on Apr 5, 2018 21:48:56 GMT -5
I went down to Detray Plating in KC, that did my SIL's chrome "C" top. www.detrayplating.com/The (estimated) cost to plate the nine handles/rod for the Imperial was WELL above $200. The thing I WANT to say though is that I took the griddle down to see what it would cost to have it taken down to bare cast iron, so could season it like a skillet. The man pointed out that MOST of the original nickel was GONE from the center, and IF he put it in the chemical bath that REMOVES nickel, it would "first attack the BARE metal, and THEN the nickel, and it'd damage your griddle GREATLY". He recommended that I just get it sand blasted and THEN season it, as the chemical bath would "be more apt to absorb into the cast iron and be caustic" vs. if I just had it blasted off. He didn't think once blasted/seasoned correctly I'd have any probs. I told him that I'd heard that they drastically changed the chemicals from the old days of plating. He said NOT true, that nickel was "the same formula used for over a hundred years". He DID say, however, that HEAT is the numero uno enemy of nickel & chrome, and recommended I do what I planned---get it back to cast, and just season it like a skillet. Just a "heads up" for future early griddle restorations, Imperials, "A"s, etc. CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by nana on Apr 7, 2018 7:08:57 GMT -5
Some people have a nickel allergy--they can't wear jewelry or watches made with nickel. I wonder if eating something made on a nickel griddle would bother them too? Cast iron is the way to go for sure. Did you ever figure out the spring arrangements for it?
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Post by mach12 on Apr 8, 2018 13:36:43 GMT -5
Some people have a nickel allergy--they can't wear jewelry or watches made with nickel. I wonder if eating something made on a nickel griddle would bother them too? Cast iron is the way to go for sure. Did you ever figure out the spring arrangements for it? My wife is allergic to several metals and nickel is one of the most severe. We rented a house when I was in the Navy and it had a really nice kitchen with yellow Formica countertops with the metal edging. The first time she washed dishes there her arms broke out so bad where they rubbed the trim that they bled, so off to the appliance store we went to get a dishwasher. And there's no such thing as buying cheap jewelry. High purity gold and silver only. The salespeople in the jewelry stores love to see me come through the door. I've never known of her to have a problem from something cooked in nickel plated cookware, though we purposely don't use stuff like our nickel plated Griswold cast iron pieces just in case.
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Post by pooka on Apr 12, 2018 14:31:11 GMT -5
I've heard of people being allergic to nickle, but have you ever heard of being allergic to gold. When my brother was in the navy, he went to the dentist for a filling. The dentist had some gold that another sailor had brought in for a crown, so he offer to use it for his filling. In the days after he felt sick as a dog, & it didn't seem to be getting any better. He went back, & they replaced the filling with the typical amalgam filling. That fixed him up, & he felt better after that. The dentist surmised he had a rare allergy to gold, so the only jewellery he dares wear is silver.
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Post by Chuckie on Apr 21, 2018 11:15:02 GMT -5
Well, dwayner pulled outta "L" town about 10:15, on his way back to the Lone Star State! We didn't accomplish anything much--he got some measurements to jury rig the broiler box arm that we can't figure out--and he also had to manufacture something to make the cast iron brackets fit (the ones' that Hugh's Place made for me were for a different model of Imperial!) That stove would STILL be sitting in boxes, were it not for HIM!!! We took some more parts down to the chroming place in KC, which is <2 miles from Jeff's IPE. Whilst at IPE, Jeff showed us the parts he had reporcelained. I brought the storage door home w/me, as he had unwrapped it from the bubble wrap. Colors SUCK in these pix, but maybe you'll get an idea: When he unwrapped it, I IMMEDIATELY had "flashbacks" to WWII!!!!!!!! LOL
CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by nana on Apr 21, 2018 17:33:19 GMT -5
I love the flair that the name has. So elegant!
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