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Post by chipperhiker on Sept 12, 2015 10:47:58 GMT -5
Just in case anyone has misplaced, or isn't aware of our adjunct site's address, here it is: www.vintagechambers.comYou can find all kinds of wonderful and useful information there, from service manuals to the Idle Hour cookbooks, to restoration stories, to old advertisements and brochures, all scanned in and ready for you to print and enjoy and use. Providing these documents the public is one of the core values of our little Chambers Commune. While a lot of us have contributed to the literature library, I want to formally thank Tux_sf (aka Danny) for all the hours he's put in on the Vintage Chambers site over the years. It's a treasure to all who love these old stoves. If you haven't already done so, head on over and explore!
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Post by pooka on Sept 12, 2015 11:08:11 GMT -5
I'll have to make a post in this thread of all the literature I've posted so far all in one post. I've got them all up as image files on Photobucket right now. I'm looking into seeing if I can upload them to the internet archive as PDFs, but I'm still investigating that.
Three cheers for Tux_sf (aka Danny) on the website. All that old literature he put up has been a great help & I've tried to add to it when I can.
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Post by mach12 on Sept 12, 2015 11:48:11 GMT -5
Pooka - Not sure whether you've ever used it but there's a really cool free program called Primo PDF to convert files to PDF format. You load it and it installs as a printer so when you have something you want to convert you just click on print and then select it instead of your regular printer. Anything you can send to your printer can be converted to a PDF. I've been using it for several years after seeing it as a Kim Komando recommendation and have never had a problem. Only thing is if you want to print multiple pages of something that, for instance, is several individual pictures. If you want to put them in a single PDF then you have to put them into a single document (like Word or whatever), then print that document.
When you go to their website there's an option to download it or their upgrade version (that you have to but) so be sure to use the "Download Free" button, not the "Download Free Trial".
Link to their website is: Primo PDF
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Post by wizardoftrance on Sept 12, 2015 12:48:06 GMT -5
There is also a pdf converter call 995, also free, also just selected like a printer would be.
Looks like windows 10 has a microsoft print to pdf function also.
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Post by pooka on Sept 12, 2015 13:35:38 GMT -5
I've been using LibreOffice 3.4. It was a freeware I found when I was looking for something to covert some of the first pieces I got. It's kinda quirky to use. I'll have to look into those others.
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Post by pooka on Sept 16, 2015 12:19:25 GMT -5
This is a list of all the Chambers Fireless Gas Range Documents I have scanned, & a few other that I've collected that are presentable. I have more that are only photographs that others have sent me & others that I've collected elsewhere. If your looking for something specific, just ask, or you can just root around my Photobucket account. I've got all manner of stuff there. Directions For Installing And Using Chambers RangeThis was printed during WWI in the very late teens. On page 24 it has a recipe for "Win The War Muffins" & one for "Conservation Fruit Cake (Eggless- Milkless-Butterless)". Directions For Installing And Using Chambers RangeThis is another version of the green covered one above , It has a tan cover. It is six pages shorter, five of which are recipes. It contains about the same info, but is written & laid out a little differently. Chambers Fireless Gas Ranges Catalog 7This pictures 9000 series ranges from around 1920 or a little later. Directions for use and Adjustment of Chambers Fireless Gas RangeThis pictures either 9000 or 2000 series from the early to Mid 1920s. Modern Cookery The Idle Hour CookbookRecipes & suggestions for cooking for cooking better meals yet adding to your leisure time. . . . . .
This is not their first cookbook, but it is the first version titled the "Idle Hour Cookbook" from 1927. My New Freedom Saves Me MoneyThis is a six section fold up brochure picturing series 3000 ranges which were made from around 1927-30. Chambers Fireless Gas Range No. 39972-W Illustration: FrontChambers Fireless Gas Range No. 39972-W Illustration: Specs.: BackThis is a Spec, sheet for range No. 39972 which as far as I know is the largest one Chambers ever built. We affectionately call the ultimate behemoth. 1928 Chamber Autostat Fireless Gas Range Stove Automatic Heat Control AdThis is a 1928 ad from the September 1928 Good Housekeeping page 189. It features the new Autostat, their then new take on a thermostat. At this time, it was an add on you could have installed on the series 3000 stoves which came out the year before. The series 4000, which came out about 1930 was just series 3000 model that came with the Autostat installed from the factory. Figure 71 Illustration of Robertshaw Oven Heat Control Model FThis is the thermostat or oven heat control that was used after the Autostat. It was used on some 1000, 6000 & some 7000 series ranges. It is an old style large carbon rod oven heat regulator, but has a remote dial connected to it by a flexible cable. Instructions for the Robertshaw model XThis is the thermostat is what we might call the first modern one. It was a fraction of the size of the previous Model F because it uses a small flexible heat probe rather than the large carbon rod used before. This meant you could mount it anywhere you liked as long as the flexible heat probe could reach the oven. It was used on the Imperials & other 7000 series ranges. It might have been used on some early model As, but I'm not sure. Time for Your Family! - Cook with the Gas Turned OffThis is a Chambers Range Brochure from about 1935. It has the only printed info on the model no. 74 I've seen. Model A InstructionsThis has a hole in the middle of it from a mouse, but a lot of it is legible. Until I have something better, It's better than nothing. Instructions For Adjusting 2200-S Series ThermostatInstructions For Adjusting Series 2200-S Robertshaw Oven Heat ControlThis is one of the thermostats used on the model Cs. It has a watermark on it for "stuccohouse.blogspot.com" where I collected it. It is posted for informational purposes. Installation Instruction Chambers ESU-33A, ESU-33CThese are installation instruction for an electric cook-top from the early 60's. I've posted a pic
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Post by vaporvac on Sept 16, 2015 12:36:04 GMT -5
You're a gem.
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Post by chipperhiker on Sept 16, 2015 14:36:50 GMT -5
Excellent, Pooka. This is an awesome place to keep a list of any items we want to share. If anyone else has something they want to add, let's all put it here, too!!
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Post by sporko on Sept 18, 2015 19:12:36 GMT -5
Wow. Could someone copy those docs directly into the vintagechambers.com site? I feel like if someone has to find this thread, it's going to get lost.
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Post by pooka on Sept 19, 2015 1:54:45 GMT -5
We need a tech to volunteer to redo the page at vintagechambers.com. A lot of this stuff I've converted to PDFs if I could. These links all got to image files.
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Post by mach12 on Sept 19, 2015 10:06:43 GMT -5
Who has administrator rights to the vintagechambers.com website? It should be a piece of cake to add the files but normally only an administrator can do it.
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Post by pooka on Sept 19, 2015 13:23:54 GMT -5
I believe chipperhiker has the passwords for administrator functions that Tux_sf (aka Danny) use to do, but he no longer has time for. chipperhiker just doesn't have the coding skills to do any editing of the web page.
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Post by chipperhiker on Sept 19, 2015 13:57:28 GMT -5
Actually I don't have any access to that site at all. I can look at it, just like everyone else.
As much as I'd love to work on the vintage chambers site, it's more than just my lack of skills that prevents my doing so. The best I can do to keep these files accessible is what I've already done - made this thread "sticky" so it stays at the top of the thread list so it's easy to find.
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Post by chipperhiker on Sept 19, 2015 13:58:57 GMT -5
Actually I don't have any access to that site at all. I can look at it, just like everyone else. It's Danny's site, hosted by Falcon, as I recall.
As much as I'd love to work on the vintage chambers site, it's more than just my lack of skills that prevents my doing so. The best I can do to keep these files accessible is what I've already done - made this thread "sticky" so it stays at the top of the thread list so it's easy to find.
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Post by sporko on Sept 19, 2015 16:31:33 GMT -5
according to whois, it's owned by tux_sf.... I suspect he can update it.
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Post by Chuckie on Sept 19, 2015 17:48:50 GMT -5
chipperhiker just doesn't have the coding skills to do any editing of the web page.
LOL, I was reading your reply, Pooka--AFTER a coupla beers. I thought you put "chipperhiker just doesn't have the COOKING skills..." and I says to meself, "he's never eaten @ chipper's house to know her 'cooking skills', how RUDE!!!" And DEN I re-read it!! LOL, too funny not to share!!
'Tis an amazing ting what alcohol can do to your eyesight AND brain--or what's left of it!!!
CHEERS! (hic!) Chuckie
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Post by pooka on Sept 21, 2015 16:44:50 GMT -5
I got the brochure in the mail a few hour ago from my kind benefactors. I've just finished scanning & editing it. I added it to the list above. The title is "Time for Your Family! - Cook with the Gas Turned Off". Folded, it's 3 1/4" wide x 5 9/16" high. Unfolded it measures 9 3/4" wide x 10 1/8" high. Front Back First fold Second fold Last fold
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Post by mach12 on Sept 21, 2015 17:43:32 GMT -5
That's so cool Pooka! What year would you estimate the brochure to be? Interesting that the burners were japanned on the Model 74. Probably the best coating available at the time. It's super durable but I wonder how it holds up to heat. Does the Model 74 use a Robertshaw Model X for the oven thermostat?
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Post by pooka on Sept 21, 2015 22:19:18 GMT -5
The only reference to a date would be 1935, which is the date on my model 74. It could be from slightly before that, but not much after that. I've seen a pic of a model 7440 with a date of 1935 in a sales book for the model C along with pics of stoves from 1927, 1914 & the original wooded bodied prototype from 1910. They speak of being "Master Builders For Over Forty Years". And yes it does use a Robertshaw Model X thermostat. These are my burners which as far as I know are factory original. There's still a little Japanning on the tail & near the tips, but it has burned off mostly from the body of the burners.
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Post by mach12 on Sept 22, 2015 0:57:33 GMT -5
I figured they must be referring to the 1931 Paris exposition which would be about right. I thought I had something that listed the years that Robertshaw used the Model X but am still digging. My A series (1936) also uses the Model X. Did Lux make the timers they used on the Vogue Deluxe? Seems the name Minute Minder is usually linked to Lux from what I've seen. Not sure it was back then though. Lots of really good pieces to the puzzle in that pamphlet!
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Post by pooka on Sept 22, 2015 7:42:55 GMT -5
You may be right about the 1931 Paris exposition. The picture I've seen that's supposed to be from that shows a model 4741 flanked by two men in long white dusters. The 4000 series came out about 1930 or so.
The patents I have of what would be the model X are from 1934 & 1935. Chambers seem to have switched from the Robertshaw model F carbon rod oven heat regulator with it's remote dial to the Robertshaw model X in about 1935. I'm not sure how long they used it before changing over to the Robertshaw model AQ which seems to be the only thermostat used on the model B & BZ. I'm only assuming that all the model As & Imperials used the model X, but I' not sure. The model Cs mainly seem to have used the Robertshaw model 2200S & later the Wilcolator M8. Robertshaw had a model BJ during about the time period of the 2200S that was a push in & turn style, but I don't think Chambers ever used it.
Again I'm going to assume that Lux sold mechanical timers to just about everybody for some time, much like GE made all the electric clock/timers sold to all maker for quite a while in later years. I think "Minute Minder" was Lux's trademarked name, but I haven't researched that.
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Post by pooka on Oct 3, 2016 10:16:38 GMT -5
I just got this a couple of days ago. I looked at it for weeks before I could bring myself to pay the $9.99 plus shipping. This is a 1928 ad from the September 1928 Good Housekeeping page 189. It features the new Autostat, their then new take on a thermostat. At this time, it was an add on you could have installed on the series 3000 stoves which came out the year before. The series 4000, which came out about 1930 was just series 3000 model that came with the Autostat installed from the factory. 1928 Chamber Autostat Fireless Gas Range Stove Automatic Heat Control AdThe ad on the next page is for California Ripe Olives. California Ripe OlivesThe cover of this issue features painting called "Girls on Swing" by Jessie Willcox Smith. The cover of September 1928 Good HousekeepingI've added this ad to the post above of all the literature I have pertaining to Chambers stoves. It not a revelation, but just another piece of the puzzle. I believe this is the same year they won a gold metal at The World Exposition in Paris. I've got a picture somewhere of that. I'll have to dig that out & add it here.
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Post by nana on Oct 3, 2016 19:41:34 GMT -5
I just love the breathy excitement of that ad for olives!
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Post by wizardoftrance on Oct 10, 2016 11:04:40 GMT -5
The vintagechambers.com link is no longer a good one
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 10, 2016 11:11:18 GMT -5
The vintagechambers.com link is no longer a good one Yea, I know--made me CRY!!! TONS of lost information, was a HUGE source of stuff--I found stuff THERE I couldn't find HERE or Todd's site! How sad---and all lost because of someone's ego and a big ol' pissin' contest... *sighs* Chuckie
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Post by karitx on Oct 10, 2016 11:21:02 GMT -5
What happened? It was working for me just a couple of days ago.
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Post by wizardoftrance on Oct 10, 2016 15:11:50 GMT -5
The part I miss the most (since I bought all of Todd's manuals) is the old cookbooks.
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Post by mach12 on Oct 10, 2016 17:42:46 GMT -5
I bought the manuals from Todd too but was really glad to have had the digital ones to look at first so I could decide which ones I needed. Glad I downloaded them when I had the chance.
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 10, 2016 20:07:17 GMT -5
The part I miss the most (since I bought all of Todd's manuals) is the old cookbooks. Uhhhhhhhhhhh, I was talking about the O-L-D website--as in ORIGINAL--before the sites 'split'. I didn't know THIS VINTAGE CHAMBERS SITE was what you were referring to!!! Google does NOT pop up the link anymore either for vintage Chambers. Perhaps Tux forgot to renew again, will have to see IF I still have his email. How bout it, chipperhiker--do YOU still have his if I DON'T?! CHEER(less!) Chuckie UPDATE: OMG, old (ORIGINAL 2004) website IS back up & running now!!! Will SOMEBODY w/the KNOWLEDGE get this shit copied??!!!!! A LOT is 'fluff'--like out here--but a lot MORE is worthwhile! GO check it out, before it IS gone!! www.hostboard.com/forums/f423/index7.htmlCHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by chipperhiker on Oct 11, 2016 22:17:44 GMT -5
When this site lost any appearance that it was being cared for a few years ago, I kind of stepped up and became our defacto spokesperson interacting with the ProBoards Support Team to get the search engine issue sorted out for us. After that I got myself "appointed" with admin. privileges by the previous caretaker here so that I could make sure this site was maintained and continued to live and breathe.
I wasn't able to make that happen with our sister site, though I did try. At the time, I got that the impression from Tux that maintaining the vintage chambers site required significant programming skills, none of which I possessed, so I put out a call for help from other members. Unfortunately, no one else was able to come forward, so all I could do was hope for the best.
If any of you have a way to contact the original members associated with the vintage chambers site, I would very much appreciate it if you could pull any and all strings you might have access to. Vintage Chambers was an incredibly valuable resource, and I very much hope that it can be resurrected.
Today I sent an email to Tux-sf's email that is listed on his profile, so keep your fingers crossed. I had very much hoped to avoid the possibility of our sister site going dark, but, unfortunately, it's not something I had any control over. If I don't hear from Danny, we may need to start over again. I'm sorry everyone.
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