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Post by voodoochikin04 on Aug 16, 2020 11:08:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure how relevant this is, But i've read some people prefer the porcelain enamel finish of original parts VS the modern porcelain finishes. I got to thinking what was the difference. So I did some searching came across this interesting video about the 1950's Porcelain Enamel finishing process. Maybe someone will find it interesting.
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Post by mach12 on Aug 16, 2020 12:01:34 GMT -5
Love the video. Thanks for posting it. I did a quick search on PEMCO enamel and there's a lot of info out there too. The only PEMCO I'd heard of before seeing this was the insurance company.
I think most of us use Independence Porcelain Enamel for our refinishing. They had to reformulate because of federally mandated removal of lead and it took awhile to perfect but their porcelain enamel is now as good as, if not better than, the original. We've been using our stove for almost three years since having it refinished and even our burner grates are still like new.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Aug 16, 2020 16:45:51 GMT -5
was just going to ask about the burner grates. Had read a lot about them flaking after refinishing, albeit old threads lol.
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Post by mach12 on Aug 16, 2020 22:39:14 GMT -5
was just going to ask about the burner grates. Had read a lot about them flaking after refinishing, albeit old threads lol. I just sent Dwayner a picture of some D Series burners I installed today and the grates are shown pretty well. I'd put a couple D Series burners in before but they had apparently been crushed and the flame diffuser tops were pushed down and blocking a lot of the top rows of holes. These are way, way better!
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Aug 17, 2020 23:21:21 GMT -5
my gosh that is a thing of beauty!! How could anyone not be taken back by that stove. I am curious, whats the cover over the Twell and griddle?
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Post by dwayner2 on Aug 18, 2020 8:00:24 GMT -5
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Post by nana on Aug 18, 2020 8:28:23 GMT -5
And the cover on the griddle is a stainless steel cover , looks like the one I have that I believe was made by a friend of Dwayner!
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Post by dwayner2 on Aug 18, 2020 10:10:01 GMT -5
Yes on the griddle cover. Jules Tatum on Facebook still has the ones Sean Shrum had made in CA, they did a very nice job on them. Jules is selling the ones with the grain running left/right and I have 3 that have the grain running front/back. Message me if your ever interested in buying one.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Aug 18, 2020 11:21:08 GMT -5
thanks for the links. my stove came with what looks like a really old stripped stainless steel or chromed cover with a cardboard backing. its pretty nasty grease soaked thing haha. I may need to pickup a new cover from you.
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Post by pooka on Aug 18, 2020 11:35:45 GMT -5
What you're describing sounds like an original griddle cover they sold as an accessory. That cardboard is asbestos.
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Post by dwayner2 on Aug 18, 2020 13:21:59 GMT -5
Yes! Watch out with that old cover with the asbestos.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Aug 18, 2020 14:30:50 GMT -5
so youre saying I should dry it out and put in the blender with the lid off??
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Post by mach12 on Aug 18, 2020 15:48:36 GMT -5
my gosh that is a thing of beauty!! How could anyone not be taken back by that stove. I am curious, whats the cover over the Twell and griddle? Thanks! I think I mentioned in another post having some white panels refinished in red at IPE and this is them. I had just snapped the pictures to send to Dwayner to show him the Plane of Flame burners and could have done a better job with the pictures, like not having the pot that we use to make iced tea sitting there, but it's a working stove, not a magazine thing so it is what it is. We're really, really happy with it and not just for her looks. She is amazing to cook with and by now has probably paid a good share of the overhaul cost in fuel savings alone. I think the savings is what impresses me the most. A lot of what I cook in the oven doesn't need long bake times like you would with a roast but it's so well insulated that once she drops into bypass she generally stays there, so even when used like a regular stove she's still amazingly efficient. We had a basic Kenmore electric in there before this. I've kept track of my propane refills and tracked the drop in electric and so on and with electricity having gone up quite a bit I'm saving around $100/month even though I'm doing a LOT more cooking. Here's a cut & paste from a post I did on my first refill: April 16th, 2018 I decided to go with two 100lb. propane tanks when we installed Pepper so bought two of them and connected them together with a manifold. We've been using Pepper a lot, a mixture of regular cooking and CWTGTO and I just refilled the tanks for the first time so thought I'd post my notes in case they're of interest. Here's what I have: Filled two 100# propane tanks, 11/21/2017. Each tank took 24.7 gallons, which is consistent with the Water Capacity stamp on the particular tanks I bought (tanks of the same rating can vary). Installed stove (Chambers BZ), 11/22/2017, did initial adjustments, regulator tests including sequential lighting of burners until all were running, ran for about an hour. Cooked first meal in oven. Thanksgiving Day, 11/23/2017, First full day of use. All three pilots (Cooktop, Thermowell, and Oven) are lit all the time (oven has safety system). Stove has been used fairly heavily In mid January the flame color indicated tank was probably low so checked tank in use and verified it was about to run out so switched over to second tank. Level was checked using hot water method where hot water is poured on the side of the tank. The tank remains warm where empty but is cold where there is still liquid. Tank was empty. Surprised the stove was still running. Checked level on second tank, 4/15/2018, and decided to take tanks in for refill. First tank (the empty one) took 24.02 gallons. Second tank took 17.63 gallons. Total propane used in the 145 days since initial hookup was 41.65 gallons, which translates to .29 gal. per day. Cost of propane at refill was $1.80 per gallon, which comes to $.52 per day for propane, or about $16.00 per month. Our electric bill is running about $100 less per month since removing the electric stove.
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Aug 18, 2020 16:56:52 GMT -5
That is an excellent savings!! we have been on an electric stove for 2 years since moving into my childhood farm house. I cannot wait to be back on the bottle!
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Post by Chuckie on Aug 18, 2020 19:39:50 GMT -5
my gosh that is a thing of beauty!! How could anyone not be taken back by that stove. I am curious, whats the cover over the Twell and griddle? Thanks! I think I mentioned in another post having some white panels refinished in red at IPE and this is them. I had just snapped the pictures to send to Dwayner to show him the Plane of Flame burners and could have done a better job with the pictures, like not having the pot that we use to make iced tea sitting there, but it's a working stove, not a magazine thing so it is what it is. We're really, really happy with it and not just for her looks. She is amazing to cook with and by now has probably paid a good share of the overhaul cost in fuel savings alone. I think the savings is what impresses me the most. A lot of what I cook in the oven doesn't need long bake times like you would with a roast but it's so well insulated that once she drops into bypass she generally stays there, so even when used like a regular stove she's still amazingly efficient. We had a basic Kenmore electric in there before this. I've kept track of my propane refills and tracked the drop in electric and so on and with electricity having gone up quite a bit I'm saving around $100/month even though I'm doing a LOT more cooking. Here's a cut & paste from a post I did on my first refill: April 16th, 2018 I decided to go with two 100lb. propane tanks when we installed Pepper so bought two of them and connected them together with a manifold. We've been using Pepper a lot, a mixture of regular cooking and CWTGTO and I just refilled the tanks for the first time so thought I'd post my notes in case they're of interest. Here's what I have: Filled two 100# propane tanks, 11/21/2017. Each tank took 24.7 gallons, which is consistent with the Water Capacity stamp on the particular tanks I bought (tanks of the same rating can vary). Installed stove (Chambers BZ), 11/22/2017, did initial adjustments, regulator tests including sequential lighting of burners until all were running, ran for about an hour. Cooked first meal in oven. Thanksgiving Day, 11/23/2017, First full day of use. All three pilots (Cooktop, Thermowell, and Oven) are lit all the time (oven has safety system). Stove has been used fairly heavily In mid January the flame color indicated tank was probably low so checked tank in use and verified it was about to run out so switched over to second tank. Level was checked using hot water method where hot water is poured on the side of the tank. The tank remains warm where empty but is cold where there is still liquid. Tank was empty. Surprised the stove was still running. Checked level on second tank, 4/15/2018, and decided to take tanks in for refill. First tank (the empty one) took 24.02 gallons. Second tank took 17.63 gallons. Total propane used in the 145 days since initial hookup was 41.65 gallons, which translates to .29 gal. per day. Cost of propane at refill was $1.80 per gallon, which comes to $.52 per day for propane, or about $16.00 per month. Our electric bill is running about $100 less per month since removing the electric stove. My God-nephew---who dwayner knows--is pretty "inane" for lack of a better word on such matters---kept track of the stove being ON for a solid month. "ON" meaning the four pilots. Methinks he said his bill went up on city (natural gas) like $2-or $4 a month on the four pilots--thermowell, wagon wheel, stove top AND oven, as I put a safety valve in. At any rate, methinks it was <$5, but DEFINITELY <$10 per month.... As an aside, I did NOT mean "inane" in a BAD way---just that he's S-O-O-O-O-O OCD, it's incredible. IF he gets fixated on something, he's on it like a duck on a junebug!! Which AIN'T such a BAD thing, as he keeps track of things and ergo "keeps them in line" and monitors them...
CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by mach12 on Aug 18, 2020 21:26:20 GMT -5
Lol Chuckie, He's a man after my own heart!
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Post by voodoochikin04 on Aug 18, 2020 22:41:08 GMT -5
kind of really liking the BZ models after seeing a few.
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Post by mach12 on Aug 19, 2020 0:27:38 GMT -5
The BZ was a transitional stove between the B and C and they were only made one year, 1948. It was the last year with the cast iron cooktop the style of Thermowell that had been in use since at least the early 1930's. The Thermowell on the C's was a big change designed to turn it into a second oven but I don't have a lot of hands-on with a C. Since most of our cooking is just for the two of us we use the well on our BZ a lot and I haven't found anything that it doesn't do a great job at. And it uses the same size gas orifice as the top burners so uses a lot less gas than the oven. Cooking with the gas turned off has been a learning curve, but a fun one. Here's some info Chambers published on the changes from the regular B.
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