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Post by pooka on Oct 7, 2014 11:37:15 GMT -5
Sorry about that. I fixed the link. I did that last night after work. I guess I was just too tired.
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Post by vaporvac on Oct 7, 2014 13:03:03 GMT -5
Very interesting link...I like that it's still made in the USA. It's also great that the Open Country line is made here. I think some of those smaller kettles would fit right in the Twell and they all have detachable bale handles. I know people want SS, but these would be nice new aluminum and non-stick for those of us that don't care.
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Post by mach12 on Oct 7, 2014 13:18:16 GMT -5
Pooka - great info. Again! I did a quick look on eBay yesterday and didn't see that roaster so must have used a different search term. I even tried just searching on the brand name Nesco and got pages of new stuff and a couple of what looked like maybe 50's vintage. I went to the link you posted and it showed that it ended, but then it's relisted at www.ebay.com/itm/NESCO-RETRO-SLOW-COOKER-3-ENAMEL-WARM-PANS-CROCK-BAKE-PORCELAIN-ROASTER-500F/121454964671?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D25412%26meid%3D908893d4b9c245d9a36c4590e0808731%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D10672%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D111478475791.
The set of pans that I found and posted earlier are the same as in the eBay roaster, where the ones in the roaster that I just bought don't have the lift handles on the large pan or the lids for the half-round pans, and the lips on the half-round pans so that they can hang on the large pan and lift out with it. My guess is that the eBay roaster and updated pans are a year or so newer? The pans in my roaster have lift brackets built onto them, which makes me wonder whether there's supposed to be a lifter of some sort. There are also no lids for the half-round pans and I wonder whether there should be or if that was part of the upgrade. The "New, Improved" version.
I didn't know there was a light in the knob. My roaster heats up but the light doesn't come on so I pulled the bulb and checked it with an ohmmeter and it's good, so I'll have to check the wiring. I pulled the base to access the back of the fixture and it's packed full of a loose insulation that looks like it might (or might not) be asbestos, so a piece went into a Ziploc bag and the base went back on until I know what it is. Our county hazmat disposal facility will test it for free, so no excuse for not checking it out. They'll also remove the asbestos if that's what it turns out to be and packing it with rock wool would be a piece of cake.
So, I'm off on yet another tangent. It'll be good info for anyone else wanting to outfit their Chambers kitchen in period appliances though.
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Post by mach12 on Oct 7, 2014 14:04:05 GMT -5
Very interesting link...I like that it's still made in the USA. It's also great that the Open Country line is made here. I think some of those smaller kettles would fit right in the Twell and they all have detachable bale handles. I know people want SS, but these would be nice new aluminum and non-stick for those of us that don't care. I like that it's made in the USA too! Did you see the griddle biscuit recipe?
www.opencountrycampware.com/recipes/?category%5B%5D=1800&submit=recipe&uid=5fa806f0dfd7
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Post by vaporvac on Oct 7, 2014 16:31:14 GMT -5
I totally missed that, but it might be on the menu sometime soon. Let us know if you try them; they sound delish!
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Post by lwagne on Oct 7, 2014 18:35:02 GMT -5
I've got the pans but mine are speckled enamel. Might have to look for the roaster! Turkey day is right around the corner. Do we have the "How To Do A Complete Turkey Dinner In The Chambers" posted so the newbies can find it???
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Post by karitx on Oct 7, 2014 20:39:36 GMT -5
Oh how cool that you found one! And it looks to be in pretty good shape, considering its age. I've seen a few photos of them before, but I never noticed the lady with the parasol.
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Post by mach12 on Oct 8, 2014 1:19:04 GMT -5
Kari - I wouldn't have even known what I was looking for if it hadn't been for you identifying the pans. Thanks! That emblem with the lady with the parasol must have a story behind it. Did you notice that the roaster that Pooka found on eBay has a chef holding what looks like a steaming plate? I wonder whether some old advertising might shed some light on the story behind the emblems?
Pooka - Where would you look for something like that? Maybe the trademark registration files?
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Post by pooka on Oct 8, 2014 2:17:18 GMT -5
Possibly, but the sources I've looked at didn't go back that far. I believe trademarking & copyrighting rules were changing about then. Possibly the the hoop skirted lady was a new in 1939 or 1940 & got short production before switching to defense work for WWII. It's really hard to say. They are both definitely late 30s or early 40s. Those handles are classic Art Deco. I found the patent for the control on your roaster. It has schematics that might help you. Electric cooking utensil US 2103560 A
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Post by melissaf on Oct 8, 2014 8:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by mach12 on Oct 8, 2014 14:22:12 GMT -5
Possibly, but the sources I've looked at didn't go back that far. I believe trademarking & copyrighting rules were changing about then. Possibly the the hoop skirted lady was a new in 1939 or 1940 & got short production before switching to defense work for WWII. It's really hard to say. They are both definitely late 30s or early 40s. Those handles are classic Art Deco. I found the patent for the control on your roaster. It has schematics that might help you. Electric cooking utensil US 2103560 A Thanks Pooka! That patent info is excellent and will definitely be helpful. I pulled the PDF and those drawings are exactly what I needed! I looked up the patents stamped into the bottom of the roaster (1895212 and 1924699) in my search to verify the asbestos. As with almost all the rest of these kinds of appliances into the 1970's, it's full of asbestos, so out comes the Tyvek suit, respirator, etc. that I wear doing brakes, clutches, etc. when restoring vintage vehicles. Asbestos isn't a problem until you disturb it like I'm going to have to do and then it's not a problem if protocol is followed.
I love the Art Deco design of the roaster. The exterior metal housing on each end where the handles mount is also stamped in an Art Deco fashion, as is the base. The base is stamped in sort of a skirt design, where all the rest that I've seen so far are just stamped pans with vertical sides.
That's an interesting idea on the possibility of the war stopping production and ending use of that emblem. There seem to be three common designs, a girl in what looks like a flower patch, the chef with the steaming platter and the hooped skirt/parasol girl that's on mine.
This is the stamp on the underside of the roaster:
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Post by mach12 on Oct 8, 2014 14:32:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Melissa! It now shows sold (along with a second, earlier one the seller had listed). I figured using $6 ($3 each) of my allowance wouldn't get me in too much trouble. I've never come across the one in your link but have seen the older one a couple of times. I just never planned to get another roaster so passed on them. There's an antique store near me that has a bunch of old magazine ads that I'm going to have to look through too. Might be something there to help date the different emblem designs too.
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Post by mach12 on Oct 26, 2014 11:03:29 GMT -5
I found a 1935 magazine ad showing my exact roaster along with a regular oven roaster. Info on their Porcelain enameled roasters and factories for those lines is out there but there isn't much on the electric roasters, at least that I've found. The NESCO site has a short history that talks about them developing it in the early 1930s in their Milwaukee, Wisconsin factory and then going out door to door in the area for the first sales. Still digging for info.
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Post by mach12 on Nov 21, 2014 16:16:43 GMT -5
We were in a shop the other day and my wife walked over to me carrying a Pyrex Flameware percolator that she remembered me talking about. My grandmother was given one in the late 50's or early 60's and she thought it was the greatest percolator ever. The lady and her husband who had the space the pot was in were retiring and heading to Arizona in their RV and really wanted to get rid of stuff so practically gave it to me. When I brought it home I did a search for instructions to make sure that I used it right and came across this 1961 video on brewing coffee properly (along with drip and vacuum coffeemakers it shows the Flameware percolator). If anyone's interested, here's a link to the video: This Is Coffee (1961) .
The Flameware percolator looks like this one:
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Post by eidos on Nov 22, 2014 11:19:02 GMT -5
Is that the 6 or 9 cup? i have all sizes, 4 6 9, they are great.
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Post by karitx on Nov 22, 2014 11:44:55 GMT -5
My mom had one of those when they lived in Minnesota in the 1950s. She said she had it going on the stove one winter day when someone opened the kitchen door. When the cold air made it across the room, the coffee pot exploded.
I would never make it up there in that cold!
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Post by mach12 on Nov 22, 2014 13:50:21 GMT -5
Is that the 6 or 9 cup? i have all sizes, 4 6 9, they are great. It's the 6 cup. I've been making coffee in it and it really makes good coffee. It seems to take a bit longer than my metal pots to get the water boiling but once it does I set the basket in, turn the heat way down, and it perks away just fine. The coffee gurus around here have Chemex brewers and tell me that coffee should be brewed with water at a max temperature that's somewhere just below boiling (I don't remember the exact temp.) but I honestly can't tell the difference when coffee is percolated right. On the other hand, I was in the Navy when I really started drinking coffee that probably skewed my coffee judgment pretty bad.
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Post by mach12 on Nov 22, 2014 14:08:17 GMT -5
My mom had one of those when they lived in Minnesota in the 1950s. She said she had it going on the stove one winter day when someone opened the kitchen door. When the cold air made it across the room, the coffee pot exploded. I would never make it up there in that cold! I've heard of Pyrex shattering from setting it on cold surfaces. I've spent a lot of time in Detroit (Warren, actually) and it gets pretty darned cold there, too. Not Minnesota cold but still cold enough to take your breath away when you first step outside. I can imagine a blast of that hitting hot Pyrex and causing it to shatter. Maybe I'd better suit up in Kevlar gear when I make my coffee LOL?
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Post by vaporvac on Nov 22, 2014 16:59:44 GMT -5
Mach12, I'm totally digging that video, but am a little embarrassed, as well. With a few exceptions I could BE that video. I don't have those percolators, but have most of the other coffee pots shown. The Vaculator is my go-to weekend coffeepot. It's so fun to watch. That copper-topped tea kettle is sitting on the Chambers as we speak (thanks to Cinnabar sending me the lid). Gee, I really need a life.
Thanks for the heads-up on cold gusts of wind shattering glass coffeemakers. I'd hate to have that happen to the vaculator.
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Post by mach12 on Nov 22, 2014 22:19:05 GMT -5
Vaporvac, You're the first one who came to mind when I saw the video, especially when I saw the vacuum coffeemaker. I've seen them for sale but don't know the first thing about them so had no idea whether they were complete or what. After seeing the one in the video I'm going to have to check them out closer. I guess I need a life too but am having way too much fun with all of this stuff and I find the designs and technology fascinating.
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Post by mach12 on May 13, 2016 11:47:09 GMT -5
I came across this little 5" x 6" pan the other day and for $1.99 I figured I'd bring it home and play with it. I've done some digging to see whether it's for a certain purpose, like poaching fish, but don't find a thing on it, though knowing the manufacturer or a model number would help. the only thing written on it is "Japan".
Does anyone have any info or ideas on it?
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Post by pooka on May 14, 2016 0:37:58 GMT -5
I may be way off but what comes to mind for some reason is a pan for an autoclave or sterilizer. Something about it's looks say medical instruments. Maybe a smaller version for tattooing gear. Somehow it doesn't impress me as a cooking pan.
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Post by mach12 on May 14, 2016 10:47:59 GMT -5
I hadn't thought about that so asked my wife since she worked for years in hospitals and doctors offices. She said that for medical it'd be stainless instead of aluminum. I've seen these several times but they were always around $10, which exceeded the limits of my curiosity on them. Seems to be a specialty item whether it's just a "cooking for one" sized item or intended for a specific use or type of cooking. We have a lot of Asian specialty shops around here and they have the coolest cookware and stuff so I'll have to ask around.
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Post by cinnabar on May 14, 2016 11:31:40 GMT -5
Perhaps a steamer for custards, puddings, vegetables or re-heating rolls? Small items as such.
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Post by Chuckie on May 14, 2016 12:00:44 GMT -5
Perhaps a steamer for custards, puddings, vegetables or re-heating rolls? Small items as such. You are ALL WRONG!!!! I cut/pasted the image on this website--that claims it can identify ANY picture---https://www.imageidentify.com/ Us Chambers folks are SO DENSE----the aforementioned website told me it is a SIDE MIRROR!!!!! How utterly STUPID of us NOT to see that--- DUH!!!! We need to pull our heads outta the thermowell and get w/the REAL world! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by mach12 on May 14, 2016 12:53:19 GMT -5
A side mirror? That would certainly explain a lot of the driving I see around here!
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Post by nana on May 14, 2016 17:33:21 GMT -5
When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. When you have a stove, does that make everything look like a cooking pot? That little pan is so specifically made. It probably only does one thing, but does it exceedingly well. Whatever that is!
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Post by pooka on May 15, 2016 10:40:43 GMT -5
mach12, I couldn't tell it was aluminum by the color. It kinda looked like stainless & my imagination ran away.
nana, I suspect you may be right about it being for some sort of special gadget. It's similar to one of the pan for an old Armstrong Table Stove that came out in 1917, but this is obviously much newer. With an Armstrong you could make waffles, toast, poach eggs or broil something small at the table. I suspect it was more trouble than it was worth, but electric appliances were a new thing at the time & it was a novelty.
It might have been popular for people who rented a room in a boarding houses or hotels. I remember lots of old movies where there was a scene about a landlady or hotel manager trying to catch people secretly cooking on a hot plate in their rooms, though it wasn't allowed.
Your comment of having a hammer & every problem looks like a nail was true back in 1917 about electricity. It was new & they tried to use it to do all kind of things. Some of them were pretty scary.
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Post by mach12 on May 15, 2016 12:19:49 GMT -5
I should have said that it was aluminum when I described it. Heck, I knew it was aluminum so why wouldn't everyone else. I took pictures with and without flash and the one I posted was without. The one with flash blows out a lot of detail and looks even more like stainless so glad I didn't use that one.
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Post by nana on May 15, 2016 19:35:05 GMT -5
Your comment of having a hammer & every problem looks like a nail was true back in 1917 about electricity. It was new & they tried to use it to do all kind of things. Some of them were pretty scary. Some of the "medical" uses come to mind!
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