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Post by mach12 on Aug 27, 2014 14:37:40 GMT -5
We've been out looking at Hoosiers and I came across some items in one of the shops we went to. One is a drip coffeemaker I hadn't seen before, a Wear-Ever 2202, that makes a whopping 1.5 Cup pot of coffee. The other is a Wear-ever 3004 percolator that I've seen but the basket has been missing on every one I've seen. This one is complete.
Then there was an enameled set of oven pans. The rectangular pan has a couple of dings in it that chipped the enamel but the half-round pans, which fit the T-Well just fine, are in perfect shape. There are no markings so I have no idea who made them or where they came from. They have brackets on them that let them hang on the large pan and when they are assembled fit the oven of the Chambers and of my RV. Has anyone ever seen a set like these? Might well be commonplace but they're a first for me.
And the last item is a baking insert for a Rival crockpot. I've seen them before but forgot about them. Wouldn't one of these work in the T-Well (fits with room to spare both on sides and top)? The lid locks in place and the handle is oven-safe according to the instruction sheet. Might need a heat diffuser.
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Post by karitx on Aug 27, 2014 16:21:49 GMT -5
Those enamel pans are from the old oval Nesco roasters. I think a few people here have a set and use them in the well. I've considered buying a set, but haven't seen any locally yet.
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Post by lwagne on Aug 27, 2014 19:56:30 GMT -5
I have the triple pot for the roaster but I don't have the roaster itself. The two side pots fit perfectly in the thermowell, but they will not go one the thermobaker. The little lips on the top are two high. I also wish I had a lid for the middle rectangular pot so the whole thing could go in the oven. I use tin foil. I also have to admit I have the Rival crock pot insert, which also goes perfectly in the thermowell!! Beth Divecchio and I were very busy last year making bundt cake centers for it. Mine were tinfoil tubes full of BB's. Her's were beautiful creations out of copper. There is a crock pot chocolate bundt cake recipe that is floating around that is fabulous. Lasts forever and is sinful!! I have the measurements for the thermowell and if it will fit, I put it on the "thermowell" shelf. An old enameled cast iron bean pot will fit in there also with the lid flipped over. I think mine is Cousances. Here's another gem - the Stove Top Baker
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Post by lwagne on Aug 27, 2014 20:20:04 GMT -5
Here is THE choclate cake recipe!! I substitute fresh espresso for water!
Amazing Slow Cooker Chocolate Cake Recipe 3 Photos READY IN ABOUT 4 hrs
Original recipe 2 cups white sugar 1 3/4 cups all-purpose flour 3/4 cup unsweetened cocoa powder 1 1/2 teaspoons baking soda 1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder 1 teaspoon salt 2 eggs 1 cup milk 1/2 cup vegetable oil 2 teaspoons vanilla extract 1 cup boiling water Directions
Spray crock of a large slow cooker with cooking spray. In a medium bowl, whisk the sugar, flour, cocoa, baking soda, baking powder and salt. In a separate small bowl, whisk together the eggs, milk, oil and vanilla until well combined. Whisk in the boiling water. Pour the wet ingredients into the dry and mix well. Pour the cake batter into the prepared slow cooker. Set slow cooker to "Low". Cook until cake has no wet spots on top and has pulled away from the sides of the crock, about 3 hours. Turn off slow cooker and allow cake to rest for 30 minutes before serving. Kitchen-Friendly View PREP 20 mins COOK 3 hrs
I think the THERMOWELL timing came out like this - with many people chiming in: Preheat 5 minutes, put cake in thermowell on thermobaker and leave on five more minutes, gas off 45 minutes, gas on 5 minutes, cook another 45 minutes with gas off. When I have the cake in and the gas on, I didn't have it on all the way high.
It is the most devine cake you will ever taste!!
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Post by cinnabar on Aug 27, 2014 20:27:22 GMT -5
Nice finds. Itching to get out myself and shop. The #2202 was made the mid 1930's, the larger, 2206 and 2209(2212,2216 even) had the "D" handle. (Later they changed from #2206 to #926.) See photo, top right pots. The top part usually has a handle so you can remove the top and basket and use the lower part for table service. This earlier one might not of had it. Lots of different ideas and changes going in the 30's just like the Chambers.
Both the 2cuppers(lower right) I have are marked #3042 and the mark is post-WWII. 2 cups means 2- 6 ounce cups, of course not my MEGA mug that is used in the morning. Happy brewing. coffee that is. cinn
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Post by mach12 on Aug 27, 2014 20:32:29 GMT -5
I knew there'd be people on here who'd know about these - Thanks! I did a search on the Nesco and one popped up (My wife said "Great - something else we need to watch for"). We have a Westinghouse roaster that was her mothers and even still has the Pyrex baking dishes with covers plus have a newer Nesco roaster so are in good shape for roasters. I was more interested in the two curved pots and they only wanted $9.50 for the whole set so am happy with them.
Great idea on the bundt cake setup! Looks like I now have another project too...
I saw one of the Stove Top Bakers in an antique store just up the road from me but they were way too proud of it for my budget. $250.00. When I saw that I figured that I needed to come home and start measuring the old flywheels and stuff that I have around here and see what I could make...
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Post by vaporvac on Aug 27, 2014 22:37:08 GMT -5
$250!!!!!Yikes1 I guess I shouldn't have let my PICC cut off the handles to use as a diffuser for my double-decker T-baker! Love how you're all colour-coordinated,lwagne. Those are some adorable mini-coffeepots,mach12...I recently got a 2cup one for my bday. I think cinnabar wins the prize for drip coffeemakers by a long shot.
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Post by cinnabar on Aug 28, 2014 2:56:53 GMT -5
I'll have to round them up for a photo sometime. , There's been a few additions since I took the last ones.
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Post by lwagne on Aug 28, 2014 8:03:14 GMT -5
$250 is way too high. I think mine was $29.00 on Ebay. Course, the shipping was a little steep. It is heavy! I do think it could be made up with some heavy iron contraption for the base and a dome.
mach12 - I took that cute little knob off the lid and substituted a brass drawer knob. I think when they say "oven-proof" they never met the thermowell!
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Post by mach12 on Aug 28, 2014 15:26:41 GMT -5
I'd have grabbed it in a heartbeat for $29.00! That's a reasonable price. I thought everything in the booth that the baker was in was overpriced.
On the knob, I was in a boat shop awhile back and they had a bunch of stuff on a table that they were almost giving away. There was a plastic bag with three stainless fittings that almost looked like cabinet knobs with D shaped loops for what would be the handles. I thought one of those would make a good knob since it could be lifted out of the T-well with a hook. I'm not sure that's necessary but I thought I'd try it.
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Post by lwagne on Aug 28, 2014 17:15:22 GMT -5
That D knob should work. Mine is a T and the lid holds on just fine. It's a nice piece.
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Post by lwagne on Aug 30, 2014 12:43:49 GMT -5
Anybody bidding on the Salton espresso maker, like Vesuviana right now? One bid, $20.00. I don't need another but they usually go for much higher. I could trade this one and put up the one not perfect one I can on ebay.
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Post by vaporvac on Aug 30, 2014 15:31:11 GMT -5
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Post by lwagne on Aug 30, 2014 17:59:15 GMT -5
Oh Yes, I LOVE that machine!! I think it goes for $500 complete. Wonder what's wrong
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Post by cinnabar on Sept 20, 2014 19:46:49 GMT -5
Adding a few more finds to this thread. When I was paying for the laaarge fry pan at the garage sale, the man tried to warn me of the ill effects of using aluminum. Well ! just suffice it to say I gave the seller and his wife an impromptu update on the safety issues. They also thought it was a Club Alum. pan and asked me if I knew the maker. Which, of course I did and told them all about it. At this point they were looking for me leave before I scared away the rest of the customers. In the end they got some badly needed information about the pan they were selling and I got a nice paella type pan. The wine bottle in the photo is for scale, or to be emptied. hic*
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Post by mach12 on Sept 21, 2014 17:01:58 GMT -5
Nice fry pan! I can picture a nice trout dinner cooking in it. With wine sauce.
Once a story gets going like the dangers of aluminum it takes a life of its own. Sad, too. It sure makes for some good prices though. When someone tells me how dangerous aluminum is I look around to see what else they're selling that's aluminum to see whether I can do some bundle pricing!
I've really researched aluminum cookware safety and am thoroughly convinced that it's safe. The panic started with a study in the 1970's where some Canadian researchers noted that studies of the brain of people who died from Alzheimer's showed that there was a higher concentration of aluminum than in healthy brain matter. They suggested in their report that studies be conducted to determine why. Their initial conclusions were that the disease caused the brain to collect aluminum, not that aluminum caused the disease, but competing manufacturers quickly jumped on the report and used a couple of lines out of it to scare people into buying their products, mainly made of stainless steel. Now reports are saying that people are being poisoned by the chromium and nickel used in stainless along with contaminants and radioactivity from the recycled metal used to make the stainless. Studies show that the average person consumes 30 to 50 MG of aluminum per day and that only a very minor amount is absorbed by the body. They've documented clearly that almost all of the aluminum just passes through the digestive tract. Tests also show that the most acidic, acid based meals cooked in aluminum only contain 3mg per serving, less than 10% of the average daily intake. It's pretty tough to find unbiased studies and reports but most now say either that it's safe or that there's no proof of any danger. For instance, from the Alzheimer's Organization website, www.alz.org/alzheimers_disease_myths_about_alzheimers.asp:
"Myth 4: Drinking out of aluminum cans or cooking in aluminum pots and pans can lead to Alzheimer’s disease."
"Reality: During the 1960s and 1970s, aluminum emerged as a possible suspect in Alzheimer’s. This suspicion led to concern about exposure to aluminum through everyday sources such as pots and pans, beverage cans, antacids and antiperspirants. Since then, studies have failed to confirm any role for aluminum in causing Alzheimer’s. Experts today focus on other areas of research, and few believe that everyday sources of aluminum pose any threat."
Aluminum is said to be the most common element on earth (asbestos, incidentally, is not too far behind it) and our bodies are made to process it. To be toxic it has to be consumed in very, very large quantities. The general conclusions in the studies I've read conclude that the levels we see through normal use and exposure is fine.
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Post by cinnabar on Sept 21, 2014 17:22:55 GMT -5
mach12, The old panic set in long ago as well. My Dad tells of his aunt and Great Uncle who sold the Wear ever having to deal with the "poisoning" argument back as early as the 1920's and 1930's. They would get frustrated when people would tell them it was not good for them. BTW, Auntie lived to be 94, her mother, (also used the Wear ever that her brother sold) was 96. They used it all their lives and did not have ill effects due to the cookware. Pretty sharp ladies to the end. The guy selling this pan had some cast iron, but it was all new and heavy stuff, Lodge and Twain. Too bad this sale is only 1 day of the year. I could have a blast with a spring one too. Total spent on cookware, 2 pans, 2 lids, 1 waffle iron, $6.25.
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Post by karitx on Sept 22, 2014 12:02:27 GMT -5
cinnabar, I think you could fry a couple of ostrich eggs in that pan!
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Post by mach12 on Sept 22, 2014 21:54:49 GMT -5
Speaking of cookware and ostrich eggs, when I was working in Egypt we'd find ancient campsites out in the desert with ostrich shell pieces around where the campfire had been and I always just figured they cooked a lot of ostrich eggs. On one trip we had an archeologist with us that we'd met on a previous trip and he told us that they would carefully open the eggs and then use the shells for cooking and eating out of. Ostrich eggs cookware.
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Post by karitx on Sept 25, 2014 14:19:41 GMT -5
How funny, mach12! Now if we can just figure out how to use them in the Thermowell...
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Post by vaporvac on Sept 25, 2014 16:15:09 GMT -5
You're funny too, kari! Hey, CInnabar..did I know you had the "cat tail" Halite coffeepot? I'm just now noticing it and am a little jealous. Now I think I need one to go with my tea kettle. That black and white lid complements your stove very well; it has a sort of deco look, although I think it's from a much later period.
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Post by cinnabar on Sept 25, 2014 19:52:27 GMT -5
Yup , the Halite line came out in the 1950's. But it still is cool on the older stove. cinn
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Post by mach12 on Sept 26, 2014 7:24:21 GMT -5
Cinnabar, Is there a "cheat sheet" that shows the different markings by date? I've done some digging and haven't found anything yet.
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Post by cinnabar on Sept 26, 2014 10:34:44 GMT -5
mach12,
Yes, there is , a folder on my desk with sketches of the marks and the dates from catalogues and advertisements mashed together to give me rough guide as to the date of manufacture. Somewhere I read the Hallite line was introduced , 1952 ish. Of course I can't locate it now, but since the marks and numbers do overlap on some of the pieces there is a wiggle room for a few years. My grandmother had a Hallite coffee/coppertop pot she reportedly got new. Since she passed away in 1955, that would have been one of the earlier ones from the first few years of production. My mother used it when I was a kid and it now resides stored away at the cabin. My black lidded Hallite pot is slightly different in the lid and glass perk top(but the glass bubbles do get broken), not the same style as Grandma's , I am guessing a later make.....
I have a copy of an ad from 1960 with 4 style lines, Hallite, Kenware, Preffered and the Buffett lines available to home consumers. I think the coffee pots lids (grooves, knobs) in the Hallite line could give a more accurate time of manufacture, but I don't have enough the sub-divide it. That's where some old salesman records would come in handy.
So Hallite was 1950's to 1960's , I deduce.
History alert :: The Hallite line was named for Charles Martin Hall, a chemist who devised an inexpensive process for aluminum in 1886. Before that aluminum was very expensive and not used for any type large scale production. You probably all know that. Ok enough for now.
cinnabar
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Post by mach12 on Sept 27, 2014 1:00:27 GMT -5
Cinnabar, I didn't know that about the naming of the Hallite line and I love those kinds of details. Thanks!
I was in a shop today that had an area with about 30 coffee pots and another area with at least 20 very old toasters. She was about to close so we're going to try to get back there Sunday afternoon.
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Post by mach12 on Oct 6, 2014 16:39:55 GMT -5
Those enamel pans are from the old oval Nesco roasters. I think a few people here have a set and use them in the well. I've considered buying a set, but haven't seen any locally yet. We took a few days off and went over to the Washington/Oregon Coast to go through the thrift shops and antique stores and came home with a few items. I was mostly looking for vintage cookbooks and manuals but also picked up a few other items, one of which was an oval Nesco roaster! I showed Stephanie pictures of them when we discussed the inserts in this thread and when I was ogling the shelves of vintage coffee pots Stephanie came in and said "you've got to see this" and drug me back to the back corner of the store. There under a cabinet, all dusty and neglected was an oval, art deco, Nesco. Model number stamped on the bottom is RA-96. We pulled it out and it was complete with all of the inserts, power cord etc. The price tag was missing so we asked and the lady said she had a $24.00 tag on it but it must have come off.
The base is a bit rusty but it comes right off with 4 screws. It's painted with black lacquer and I just picked some up to do a couple of Model A Ford taillight brackets so will sandblast and then shoot the base when I do the brackets. I've been digging and don't find much info on older Nesco roasters. I did find a couple of sites where people had sold identical roasters, one said to be 1937 and the other 1938. I'm not sure how they determined that. Does anyone happen to have any links or anything on vintage Nesco roasters?
Here are a few pictures:
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Post by vaporvac on Oct 6, 2014 16:48:31 GMT -5
I like the roaster, but really need a close-up of the bonneted lady with the parasol. How cute is that!!!!
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Post by mach12 on Oct 6, 2014 21:36:45 GMT -5
I like the roaster, but really need a close-up of the bonneted lady with the parasol. How cute is that!!!! I'll need to clean it up (the roaster AND the image) but here is a photo of the emblem:
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Post by pooka on Oct 7, 2014 1:20:18 GMT -5
Those handles are definitely Art Deco & pretty much nails it in late 30s. The biggest movie of 1939 was "Gone With The Wind". It can't be a coincidences that there's a little lady in hoop skirt & bonnet with a parasol on your roaster. I'll bet you could get table cloths & kitchen curtains around that same time. It was decorator trend then. I found this brief history of the National Enameling and Stamping Company (NESCO®). It says they were first made in the early 30s. They also had partnerships with electric utilitys to sell them to new customers. Nesco About Us pageThere's one very similar to yours on eBay. The only difference is that it has a chrome lid & a different logo on the front. But it has the same Art Deco handles as yours. NESCO RETRO SLOW COOKER 3 ENAMEL WARM PANS CROCK BAKE PORCELAIN ROASTER 500F
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Post by vaporvac on Oct 7, 2014 10:12:31 GMT -5
Pooka, your Nesco link came back to this page. You are correct that this was a popular motif throughout the 20s and thirties in addition to silhouettes in general. I find it very sweet. I'd love some hand towels...maybe I'll have to do a stencil or transfer of this image.
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