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Post by chipperhiker on Aug 20, 2019 17:57:47 GMT -5
Hello, all! Our long-time members remember that, once upon a time, our current site had a sister site which hosted pdfs of various scanned literature relevant to our lovely Chambers Stoves - cookbooks, manuals, ads, etc. That site went down a couple years ago (I can only speculate about what happened), and the content became unavailable to us. I am pretty sure that, between the lot of us, we probably have all of those documents stored on our collective hard drives. I know that I downloaded any Model C literature that I hadn't provided to the site myself. I'd guess that Pooka has plenty of older documents, as well! I am looking to the group for ideas about finding a new place for all of this literature to "live" online. Ideally, it would be a free hosting site, and it would be able to handle the size of our many documents. I would like the downloads to remain free, and I would like the site to be one that isn't so complicated that one of us (possibly myself?) would have a hard time managing it long-term. As I recall, the previous site required coding skills that I didn't have, so i couldn't step in to help when abandonment seemed imminent. Please give it some thought, and then post your ideas here. Specific sites would be most helpful. I would also like to hear anyone's concerns and insight about copyright issues, etc., as that is surely far outside my knowledge base. Yours in Chambers admiration, -Jenn
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Post by vaporvac on Aug 21, 2019 11:51:21 GMT -5
I can't help you with any recommendations, but want to thank you for trying to get this back up. There was so much on that site that's even more important now that the Todd is no longer selling literature. I guess he's looking for a buyer to take over that part.
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Post by pooka on Aug 21, 2019 14:28:54 GMT -5
I'm not knowledgeable on the subject to recommend a new site, but all the content & documents can be found at the Internet Archives Wayback Machine. They periodically scan websites by taking snapshots & full copies of them for posterity. As you say, I've got copies of all the documents myself. For now, at least it all hasn't been lost. It's an imperfect answer to the question. This calls for skills we apparently lack from amongst our number.
It's a tough situation that many of us are so focused in the past & past things, we haven't picked up enough of the new skills to solve this dilemma. We need some new blood to pass this knowledge on. I'd hate to have it only be found in a dusty archive, but that's where we're headed.
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Post by Chuckie on Aug 21, 2019 19:05:12 GMT -5
I'm not knowledgeable on the subject to recommend a new site, but all the content & documents can be found at the Internet Archives Wayback Machine. They periodically scan websites by taking snapshots & full copies of them for posterity. As you say, I've got copies of all the documents myself. For now, at least it all hasn't been lost. It's an imperfect answer to the question. This calls for skills we apparently lack from amongst our number. It's a tough situation that many of us are so focused in the past & past things, we haven't picked up enough of the new skills to solve this dilemma. We need some new blood to pass this knowledge on. I'd hate to have it only be found in a dusty archive, but that's where we're headed. Pooka: I've BEEN to that LINK a NUMBER of times, but how the DIVIL do you get to the actual PAGES? Once I saw a picture of that Model C that USED to be on the opening page of this website, but now I can't even see IT anymore!!! Please advise, THANKS!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by pooka on Aug 21, 2019 22:12:59 GMT -5
Ok, sorry. It kinda befuddled me to at first. Across the top of the page is a graph of months & years. The peaks right above show when the website was scanned. The higher the peak, the more complete the scan was. You can click on the different years to show a calendar for that year. On the calendar, the day it was scanned is highlighted in blue. The bigger the highlight, the more complete the scan was. If you click on the highlighted date, it will take you to what they scanned. According to the graph, the most complete scan was done on August 8th of 2007. When you click on a day it was scanned, at the top of the page, it'll show how many times that particular page was "captured". That's the term they use. I'll admit it is confusing. Once you figure out how it works, it's a snap.It's just a matter of learning their system. I signed up to the Internet Archive & tried to figure out how to upload some stuff, but I didn't work it out yet. I got frustrated & forgot about it for a while. Now I've forgotten what my log in was, so I'll have to go through redoing that before I can try again. I was going to upload all the PDFs from the old vintagechambers site Literature & How-Tos page , plus any additional things I've got.
The Internet Archive & the Wayback Machine are meant to preserve internet pages forever. A group saw the we were erasing history as the internet was more or less paving over old websites. But unlike when an old building it torn down, archeologists can come in later & dig down to find at least some trace of what was there. Sometimes they find whole buildings. But with the internet, all traces simply vanish into thin air. Like it never happened.
It was though by some wise folks that future generations might want to see what the cyber world looked like in the olden days. That's what the Wayback Machine does. The Internet Archive is kind of a collective scrapbook of thing they select as curators, plus what the general public chooses to upload. Think The Encyclopedia Galactica, plus grandmas recipes & all the photos from every-bodies vacations birthdays & Christmases, & anything else they thought important. More or less a slice of our collective attics tacked onto a museum of everything.
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Post by vaporvac on Aug 22, 2019 10:33:21 GMT -5
This happened to another site I frequent. Let me see if I can find the post and see what they used. Someone did kindly upload everything there, but I don't think it was that difficult.Sometimes WBM needs to be hand entered as only a few pages may be saved. People also went through the site mentioned and saved everything including the links, individually there, as well. OK, I found the hosting site, but don't know what to do. Maybe I'll do a bit of research, but this was free, if I recall correctly and not likely to take down the site. tlcfocus.com/
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Post by Chuckie on Aug 23, 2019 7:26:11 GMT -5
I'm not knowledgeable on the subject to recommend a new site, but all the content & documents can be found at the Internet Archives Wayback Machine. They periodically scan websites by taking snapshots & full copies of them for posterity. As you say, I've got copies of all the documents myself. For now, at least it all hasn't been lost. It's an imperfect answer to the question. This calls for skills we apparently lack from amongst our number. It's a tough situation that many of us are so focused in the past & past things, we haven't picked up enough of the new skills to solve this dilemma. We need some new blood to pass this knowledge on. I'd hate to have it only be found in a dusty archive, but that's where we're headed. For those--like ME!!--that are "internet-ally challenged"-- Pooka sent me this DIRECT LINK to the old (former) literature page that was available out here!!!! I "pinned" the site to my upper bar for easy access!! I used to LOVE perusing the older recipe books on slow days @ work when my (late) boss & his wife were gone to some exotic place on the globe! web.archive.org/web/20070827044811/http://www.vintagechambers.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=2&MMN_position=8:8Gracias, thank you, THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pooka for posting this!! Maybe chipper can "pin" this until some sort of archive site gets set up!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by dwayner2 on Aug 23, 2019 12:40:49 GMT -5
I think it's great if we can do this but as Chuckie knows, I'm pretty much an internet/computer idiot, so no help. At least we can have free access to something people need ASAP and not have to pay $20 for something they'll never get.
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Post by pooka on Aug 24, 2019 1:37:45 GMT -5
This is as good a place as any to post this. As I said, I got an account at the Internet Archive some tiime ago. I was going to upload a bunch of stuff one at a time, but as I started, I somehow uploaded them all at once in one folder with the wrong title. You can access them or download them if you like. It's all of what the vintagechambers site had, plus some older ads & instructions that I've picked up & scanned. As you can see the title to the whole collection was the name of one of the files, but there are sixty files. I think the old Chambers site only had twenty five.
At some point I want to redo it, but for now they're out the free for the picking. This is what I've collected the last eight years. A lot of them I have hard copies that I scanned. Most of my stuff is from the early 30s all the way back to one of their first ads from 1912. There's also the instructions for a 60s electric cook-top. Someone sent it to me to save because they couldn't bear to throw it out.
I want to repeat. This is free stuff.
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Post by vaporvac on Aug 24, 2019 11:39:32 GMT -5
You are a gem, Pooka.
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Post by Chuckie on Aug 24, 2019 13:10:06 GMT -5
He is INDEED!!! T-H-A-N-K-S for ALL you've done to keep the world enlightened re: Chambers stoves!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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