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Post by Chuckie on Jan 20, 2019 16:29:05 GMT -5
I THOUGHT I had posted these out here before, apparently NOT!!! Here's a link to the "base" recipe I "followed"--you KNOW how I change things UP!! LOL, my changes posted in blue: CHEERS! Chuckie www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/bierocks/BierocksDOUGH: 10 to 11 cups all-purpose flour, divided (took EVERY BIT of 10 cups today!) 1 package (1/4-ounce) active dry yeast (per instructions on reviews, I used 4 tsps)1/2 cup sugar 2 teaspoons salt 2-1/2 cups water 1 cup whole milk 1/2 cup butter, cubed 2 large eggs (this makes a BUTTLOAD of DOUGH!! I got nineteen bierocks outta the meat, and enough dough leftover to make 12 rolls!! Here it is after rising one hour in the proofing box) FILLING: 2 pounds ground beef (I also added one pound of HOT Italian Sausage)1 large onion, chopped 2 teaspoons salt ( or to taste) 1 teaspoon ground white pepper 2 pounds shredded cabbage, cooked and drained (we always just use a bag of coleslaw)1 14.5 oz can Frank's Sauerkraut, drained well
1 pkg sharp cheddar to sprinkle over tops before sealing
(NOTE: I made the filling the night BEFORE) For dough, in a large bowl, combine 4 cups of flour, yeast, sugar and salt; mix well and set aside ( see my "blue" below). In a saucepan, heat water, milk and butter just until butter melts. Remove from heat and cool to 120°-130°. (Here I did like the Idlehour recipe for icebox rolls. I stirred the sugar & salt into the pan when I turned off the fire, then when temp down to blood temperature, I put the yeast in, & whisked well). Combine with flour mixture; add eggs. Using an electric mixer, blend at low speed until moistened then beat at medium speed for 3 minutes. By hand, gradually stir in enough remaining flour to make a firm dough. Knead on a floured surface about 10 minutes. Place in a greased bowl, turning once to grease top. Cover and let rise in a warm place until doubled, about 1 hour. Punch dough down; let rise again until almost doubled. (I did NOT do the "punch down dough" part--we went ahead & made them into bierocks after first rising, then placed them on a jellyroll pan with parchment paper, covered the rolls w/saran wrap sprayed w/Pam, and put in the icebox to bake later at the Knights. We placed them on the shelf above the oven @ the Knights to rise while the oven warmed up.)
Meanwhile, for the filling, brown beef (and Italian sausage) with onion, salt and pepper; drain. Mix together with cabbage; set aside (here I put it back in the same pan w/the raw coleslaw after draining, and heat it up until cabbage is wilted down & shredded carrots al dente. Drain the kraut REALLY GOOD, using your fist to mash all the liquid out. Add to filling. Can refrigerate filling overnight if you wish). Divide the dough into fourths. Roll each piece into a 15x10-in. rectangle. Cut into 5-inch squares (we did 6" squares) Spoon 1/3 to 1/2 cup (we did 2/3, TOO much--1/2 would've been FINE!) filling onto each square. Bring the four corners up over the filling; pinch together to seal. Repeat with remaining dough and filling. Place (seam side down) on greased baking sheets (we used jellyroll sheets w/parchment paper on them. Below is a pic before folding shut; we made the dough squares 6x6, and STILL had all the leftover--enough for a DOZEN dinner rolls!!)
Bake at 375 degrees for 30 minutes, or until golden brown. Here is the finished product:The Chiefs L-O-S-T, so life SUX!!!!
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Post by nana on Jan 21, 2019 8:56:48 GMT -5
It's so funny that you posted this. My mother used to make these. We called them piroshky, similar sounding enough to bierocks, I think these are Russian or Polish. But a sweet dough wrapped around a savory filling. She mostly made them an onion,carrot cabbage thing, but would sometimes add ground pork or sausage too. I was just thinking of trying these with a spaghetti squash filling! I recently came by said squash, and they are my least favorite because they are a sad sad substitute for real pasta, and I was trying to think what I could do that would not make me wish I was having actual pasta. I was going to use that 7 spice blend of Mach12's, which has become my go-to secret ingredient. (Try it in meatloaf sometime!) I'm with you on the Chief's loss, Chuckie. Mostly because I just hate the Patriots so much. Console yourself, as I do, with the knowledge that Brady, Belichek and Robert Kraft(for paying off the NFL to make crucial calls go their way) will all be burning in hell for selling their souls to the devil.
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Post by Chuckie on Jan 21, 2019 10:29:01 GMT -5
I'm with you on the Chief's loss, Chuckie. Mostly because I just hate the Patriots so much. Console yourself, as I do, with the knowledge that Brady, Belichek and Robert Kraft(for paying off the NFL to make crucial calls go their way) will all be burning in hell for selling their souls to the devil. I am SO GLAD to hear YOU say that, nana!!! I just thought it was us Kansans/mid-westerners that thought that!!! The "powers that be" do N-O-T like to have the Chiefs OR the Royals in ANY kind of major playoff, etc. We are considered "fly over country", and the coasts/big city teams sell tickets and television advertising!!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by vaporvac on Jan 21, 2019 15:04:54 GMT -5
I thought you did before, as well, but I'm glad you did now. These look fantastic.
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Post by karitx on Jan 21, 2019 18:03:33 GMT -5
One of my friends grew up in Iowa and her whole family talks about runzas in hushed, reverent tones. I still haven't tried them, but they sure do sound tasty!
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Post by Chuckie on Jan 21, 2019 21:47:53 GMT -5
It's so funny that you posted this. My mother used to make these. We called them piroshky, similar sounding enough to bierocks, I think these are Russian or Polish. But a sweet dough wrapped around a savory filling. She mostly made them an onion,carrot cabbage thing, but would sometimes add ground pork or sausage too. I was just thinking of trying these with a spaghetti squash filling! I recently came by said squash, and they are my least favorite because they are a sad sad substitute for real pasta, and I was trying to think what I could do that would not make me wish I was having actual pasta. I was going to use that 7 spice blend of Mach12's, which has become my go-to secret ingredient. (Try it in meatloaf sometime!) I got to thinking, these would make GREAT breakfast food too!! Scramble up some eggs, fry/crumble some sausage, and maybe even some ham chunks too. I don't know why you couldn't do them like the icebox (refrigerator) rolls, and assemble the night before, cover in the refrigerator, and take them out in the morn to rise up and bake...
They are VERY popular in this part of the woods--more so in Western KS though. As an aside, out near Marysville, KS, there are a LOT of first generation German immigrants, and they have church feeds on these several times a year... Here's a little something from Wikipedia as to their (suspected) origins.
CHEERS! Chuckie Bierock (pronounced somewhere between "brock" and "brook" in Nebraska [1] and "beer-rock" in the Dakotas, the Rocky Mountain states, Kansas, and Oklahoma) is a yeast dough pastry pocket sandwich with savory filling,[2] originating in Eastern Europe, possibly in Russia. The dish is common among the Volga German community in the United States and Argentina. It was brought to the United States in the 1870s by German Russian Mennonite immigrants.[3] Other spellings are bieroch, beerock, berrock, bierox, beerrock and kraut bierock in the U.S, and pirok or kraut pirok in Argentina.
Bierock is filled with cooked and seasoned ground beef, shredded cabbage[2] and onions, then oven baked until the dough is golden brown. Some variants include grated carrots.
Bierocks are similar to both pirogi/pirozhki of Russian cuisine and börek of Turkish cuisine. There is debate about the actual etymology of the word bierock. Traditionally it was supposed that bierock was derived from the Russian word pirog.[4][5][6] However, a recent theory speculates that the word bierock may be derived from börek.[7] This theory is based on both geographic close proximity of the former Volga German ASSR to present day Kazakhstan as well as the influence of considerable population of historically Turkic speaking peoples such as Kazakhs and Tatars living in the Volga region.[8] Neither theory, however, has been conclusively proven.
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Post by nana on Jan 22, 2019 17:24:45 GMT -5
I did make these last night! I used my mom's recipe for the dough, spaghetti squash and sauteed onions with the 7 spice powder and salt for seasoning, and added shredded cheddar because Chuckie did, and it seemed good to me, although my mom never put cheese in hers. I had actually never made these by myself before, always only assisted my mom, who would already have had the dough made. But I did inherit her recipe, and I'm posting a picture of it rather than copying it down because it is so classically my mom, with her side comments and as I found out, there were probably changes she never bothered writing down because it needed more like 5-5 1/2 cups of flour rather than the 4-41/2 she wrote down to become a dough rather than a batter. Instead of rapid rise yeast I used 1 TBSP regular yeast, as I'm sure she did. As to method, I followed Chuckies, to include forgoing the second rise. I made the dough and set the squash to bake WTGTO, went over to my daughter's to go sledding with the kids, came back, punched it down, let it sit a bit while I sauteed the onions, etc, rolled them out, filled and baked them. The torpedo shape is how my mom always made them, and she always brushed the tops with milk so they would be a bit glossy. They were YUM! Even though the cheese leaked out. But who doesn't like crispy brown baked cheese, right? So if you want to use my mom's recipe, which seems to be a bit richer dough, but makes a smaller amount, don't forget it takes more flour than what she wrote down!
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Post by Chuckie on Jan 22, 2019 19:44:58 GMT -5
I did make these last night! I used my mom's recipe for the dough, spaghetti squash and sauteed onions with the 7 spice powder and salt for seasoning, and added shredded cheddar because Chuckie did, and it seemed good to me, although my mom never put cheese in hers. I had actually never made these by myself before, always only assisted my mom, who would already have had the dough made. That's both CLASSIC and CLASSY---following your MAM'S old recipe!!! My Grandma's are the same way--hand written, with M-A-N-Y side notes!!! On second thought, maybe that's where I inherited my BLUE side notes that I use--from HER!! LOL
They look DELISH, hope they were enjoyed by ALL!!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by Chuckie on Jan 30, 2020 22:24:30 GMT -5
I'm with you on the Chief's loss, Chuckie. Mostly because I just hate the Patriots so much. Console yourself, as I do, with the knowledge that Brady, Belichek and Robert Kraft(for paying off the NFL to make crucial calls go their way) will all be burning in hell for selling their souls to the devil. I am SO GLAD to hear YOU say that, nana!!! I just thought it was us Kansans/mid-westerners that thought that!!! The "powers that be" do N-O-T like to have the Chiefs OR the Royals in ANY kind of major playoff, etc. We are considered "fly over country", and the coasts/big city teams sell tickets and television advertising!!! CHEERS! Chuckie Nana: I was RE perusing recipes tonight out here for CHIEFS Superbowl Sunday, and stumbled across THIS old post and our musings bout the "powers that BE" trying to keep us "flyover folks" OUT of the Superbowl AND World Series!!! So NOW methinks I'll make this simple, MIDWEST recipe to thumb my nose @ BOTH coasts (but ESPECIALLY San Fran & the WEST Coast! ) in hounour of the CHIEFS FINALLY making it BACK to the Superbowl after F-I-F-T-Y years!!! Just wanted YOU to know the reason why I was NOT using your Cheeseburger Mac recipe as I THOUGHT I would... Wish us luck---Monkey and I w/the recipe, AND the C-H-I-E-F-S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by mach12 on Jan 30, 2020 22:51:06 GMT -5
Don't paint all of us West Coast folks with the same brush. I have two slabs of ribs and my favorite K.C. Ribs recipe ready to go for the game. We're totally ready for a Chief's win!
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Post by nana on Jan 31, 2020 7:04:12 GMT -5
Go Chiefs! Of course football fans can totally have an effect on their team by their choice of foods. Makes perfect sense to me! The Jets lost one time (well, they've lost a lot of times), but this one time was because my brother in law got on his high horse and refused to put on the ugly Jet hat, saying it couldn't possibly affect the game. Well they lost. Case closed, in my book. You can't take any chances--this is the Super Bowl!!
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Post by Chuckie on Jan 31, 2020 7:42:48 GMT -5
Go Chiefs! Of course football fans can totally have an effect on their team by their choice of foods. Makes perfect sense to me! The Jets lost one time (well, they've lost a lot of times), but this one time was because my brother in law got on his high horse and refused to put on the ugly Jet hat, saying it couldn't possibly affect the game. Well they lost. Case closed, in my book. You can't take any chances--this is the Super Bowl!! You are 100 PERCENT CORRECT, nana!!! Gotta keep your mojo' going!!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by Chuckie on Jan 31, 2020 7:47:46 GMT -5
Don't paint all of us West Coast folks with the same brush. I have two slabs of ribs and my favorite K.C. Ribs recipe ready to go for the game. We're totally ready for a Chief's win! Oh I DON'T, mach12!! That was mainly tongue-in-cheek. BUT it IS true that we have been (more than ONCE!) called "flyover country"!!! Besides, I KNOW what part of the world your WIFE is from, so I had NO DOUBT where the mach12 household heart was at!!! GO CHIEFS!!Chuckie
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Post by Chuckie on Feb 2, 2020 23:59:30 GMT -5
OMG, the Chiefs WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Life is good here, I be S-O-O-O-O happy!!! CHEERS! Chuckie p.s.--must've been the BIERCOCKS, that did it!!!
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Post by mach12 on Feb 3, 2020 11:39:57 GMT -5
OMG, the Chiefs WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Life is good here, I be S-O-O-O-O happy!!! CHEERS! Chuckie p.s.--must've been the BIERCOCKS, that did it!!! I was getting worried but man did they turn it around! I was watching the Vegas odds stats and they'd pretty much written K.C. off by the 3rd quarter. Classic case of "It ain't over 'til it's over". What a great game!
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Post by Chuckie on Feb 3, 2020 12:44:00 GMT -5
OMG, the Chiefs WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Life is good here, I be S-O-O-O-O happy!!! CHEERS! Chuckie p.s.--must've been the BIERCOCKS, that did it!!! I was getting worried but man did they turn it around! I was watching the Vegas odds stats and they'd pretty much written K.C. off by the 3rd quarter. Classic case of "It ain't over 'til it's over". What a great game! ...as the old adage goes... CHEERS!! Chuckie
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Post by nana on Feb 3, 2020 18:00:47 GMT -5
It was an exciting game for sure! I'm happy for you, Chuckie. Yes it MUST have been the bierocks!
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Post by mach12 on Feb 4, 2020 14:27:25 GMT -5
Besides, I KNOW what part of the world your WIFE is from, so I had NO DOUBT where the mach12 household heart was at!!! Did I ever mention that her grandmother on her Dad's side lived 2 miles from IPE? We visited her in '72 and it was just off of I-70 (12206 East 35th) so that was the extent of my travels in and around Independence. It was kind of fun driving by her place when we were back there to pick up the panels. I should have asked Jeff for a locals discount.
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