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Post by ronruble on Apr 19, 2017 20:18:57 GMT -5
Over on the vintagechambers.com page the link to this page (discussion forum) is now dead. The link is the words “online community” page link“The contributors to this website are also members of an online community where…” To whoever is the web-master now: If you do not know how to change/edit the HTML page, PM me and I will give you instructions.
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Post by chipperhiker on Apr 25, 2017 22:28:30 GMT -5
Ron, I'm the admin here on this site, but as I have said many times, I wish and desperately want to bring the Vintage Chambers site back under the auspices of our group, but haven't been able to make any progress. Danny, tux_sf used to be the web master for the site.
If you have any suggestions or remedies I would very much appreciate the help.
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Post by ronruble on May 1, 2017 10:40:22 GMT -5
I was going to cut-paste text from vintagechambers.com and show where change can be made easy but the website is down (not loading). It could be internet problem but probably website is no long on the internet. I will recheck over the next few days to see if it an internet problem. So… from memory: On the page that has the link to the forum; in the HTML text there will be the words “online community” and just be for that test with the link. If I remember correctly the link text would be something like chamberscommune-69.proboards.com/ but it needs to be changed to read chamberscommune.proboards.com/To do this Log into the website files and find the file name of the page (will post/edit later if website is up) Download the page file into a new folder on your computer Note: Do not use "save as" Copy this file into another new folder (One is a backup copy so if you screw things up - you always can upload the original file to the website) Open one file in a text file like Microsoft Wordpad or others program but not in a word processing program like Microsoft Word. Find the text section on the page that has “online community” and link just in front of it - make change to read chamberscommune.proboards.com/NOTE: do not delete anything else (brackets or “ “ or , or /) Save and then upload to website replace old file Check webpage on internet to see if it working correctly If you crashed the page with the link: re-upload the backup copy of the file I hope the page vintage chambers webpage is not dead and gone. It has all the Chambers reference material on it. If you need other help – PM me Ron
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Post by nana on May 1, 2017 16:34:31 GMT -5
I thought once on the internet, forever on the internet. Isn't that how all the millenials get into trouble on Facebook?
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Post by ronruble on May 1, 2017 18:46:40 GMT -5
If you do not pay for the name each year or the hosting – It is GONE!
Vintagechambers.com website name may be gone and dead if owner does not renew ASAP
Vintagechambers.com is listed on Whois with Expiration Date: 18-mar-2017
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Post by pooka on May 2, 2017 3:01:48 GMT -5
This is a tragedy. Is there nothing to be done about it? I think I down loaded all the PDFs of the literature to my files, but to lose the whole website out of neglect is awful. If it was just a matter of paying a fee, surely we could have come up with that if we knew how & where to do it.
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Post by ronruble on May 2, 2017 11:00:56 GMT -5
Pooka – I am happy to hear that you saved all or most of the PDF files (I lost my copies). If the site IS dead and gone I have a solution. I already own and pay for website hosting and I can add another web address for $20 per year. I looked at it yesterday and there are a few web names that I like (chambers-stoves.info or chambers-stoves.com). I was planning to put up info on restoring my stove to help others doing the same anyway so this may be our answer. My schedule is very busy – fix / clean cabin to sell and then move.
I hope someone can recover and the website – that would be best. We will see but there is a plan B if it fails Ron
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Post by pooka on May 2, 2017 15:05:01 GMT -5
Wasn't tux_sf the web master for that website? Does anyone know how to contact him & get his help fixing this, or at least getting the code to reconstruct it or or something close. I wish I had taken screenshots of it to record the visuals of it & it's list of downloadable PDFs. I know I have some literature that wasn't there, but I could only post scans of them on Photobucket. A couple of them I converted to PDFs, but had nowhere to post them. Me not being quite as tech savvy, it was tedious to do, & I didn't convert all I had.
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Post by Chuckie on May 2, 2017 20:36:12 GMT -5
Wasn't tux_sf the web master for that website? Does anyone know how to contact him & get his help fixing this, or at least getting the code to reconstruct it or or something close. I wish I had taken screenshots of it to record the visuals of it & it's list of downloadable PDFs. I know I have some literature that wasn't there, but I could only post scans of them on Photobucket. A couple of them I converted to PDFs, but had nowhere to post them. Me not being quite as tech savvy, it was tedious to do, & I didn't convert all I had. I just got done sending him an email. As an aside, the LAST time I sent him an email, it took about a MONTH for him to respond, IF memory serves me... Maybe chipperhiker would have better results, I dunno... CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by Chuckie on May 2, 2017 20:38:42 GMT -5
Wasn't tux_sf the web master for that website? Does anyone know how to contact him & get his help fixing this, or at least getting the code to reconstruct it or or something close. I wish I had taken screenshots of it to record the visuals of it & it's list of downloadable PDFs. I know I have some literature that wasn't there, but I could only post scans of them on Photobucket. A couple of them I converted to PDFs, but had nowhere to post them. Me not being quite as tech savvy, it was tedious to do, & I didn't convert all I had. I just got done sending him an email. As an aside, the LAST time I sent him an email, it took about a MONTH for him to respond, IF memory serves me... Maybe chipperhiker would have better results, I dunno... CHEERS! Chuckie UPDATE: I just got through to there, following this link: www.hostboard.com/forums/f423/index7.htmlI had emailed/saved this YEARS AGO, when I first stumbled on to it, after joining these (two) sites...
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Post by chipperhiker on May 2, 2017 23:37:49 GMT -5
I've not had any better luck. Sorry. I've got no more leverage than anyone else. Fingers crossed that he gets back to you , Chuckie.
If all else fails, we can start reacquiring literature files and look for a better way to keep them associated with this site. I still have the scans of the material I submitted to the Vintage Chambers site, and I have my own downloaded copies.
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Post by ronruble on May 3, 2017 8:31:37 GMT -5
If anyone saved any of the PDF files from page please let me know Ron Ruble
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Post by cinnabar on May 3, 2017 11:06:23 GMT -5
I have the 1927 and 1958 Idle hours and several brochures saved. Let me know exactly where you want them sent.
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Post by pooka on May 3, 2017 14:13:34 GMT -5
OH MY GOODNESS!!! I've been working on putting together a folder of PDFs from the site, plus some I've collected, & I'm already up to fifty four, & I'm not done yet. A few are cookbooks for other fireless cookers, & some are cookbooks that have a section on fireless cooking, but the bulk are Chambers literature. I knew I had a lot, but I didn't realize quite how many I did have. They are spread out in different folders that have built up over time, & intermingled amongst images in groups. They run the gamut from the earliest ad I've found from 1912, up to a manual for an electric cook-top some one sent me from January 1st of 1977. Right now it's up to 242 MB in size of just PDFs. As soon as I'm pretty sure I've found all I think I have, I'll send them off to Ron & maybe a few others for safe keeping should anything happen to my computer or me. As of right now, my Chambers folder is 6.51 MB in size, although some of it is files on other fireless cookers, vintage refrigerators & other vintage stoves, plus some miscellaneous stuff.
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Post by Chuckie on May 3, 2017 21:08:13 GMT -5
I've not had any better luck. Sorry. I've got no more leverage than anyone else. Fingers crossed that he gets back to you , Chuckie. If all else fails, we can start reacquiring literature files and look for a better way to keep them associated with this site. I still have the scans of the material I submitted to the Vintage Chambers site, and I have my own downloaded copies. Has anybody (else) tried to follow the link I sent in my "update"? Just curious if I was the ONLY one that could get there from here! www.hostboard.com/forums/f423/index8.htmlCHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by pooka on May 3, 2017 21:46:02 GMT -5
Chuckie. that's Todds old website, not the Chambers Commune at, www.vintagechambers.com. I fear it's lost for good, sad to say. I'm sure Todd is tickled pink, although I hate to accuse him of such evil thoughts. This is a case where as Hamlet said, "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." On a more frustrating side, GOOD GRIEF, I'm getting lost in my files trying to decide what to convert to a PDF & include in the file folder to send off. I knew I had a lot of info, but I'm being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of stuff to sort through.
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Post by Chuckie on May 3, 2017 22:08:21 GMT -5
Chuckie. that's Todds old website, not the Chambers Commune at, www.vintagechambers.com. I fear it's lost for good, sad to say. I'm sure Todd is tickled pink, although I hate to accuse him of such evil thoughts. This is a case where as Hamlet said, "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." On a more frustrating side, GOOD GRIEF, I'm getting lost in my files trying to decide what to convert to a PDF & include in the file folder to send off. I knew I had a lot of info, but I'm being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of stuff to sort through. My bad, guess I never KNEW about the original site, I've been going to the one above!! Chuckie
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Post by pooka on May 3, 2017 22:17:00 GMT -5
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Post by pooka on May 4, 2017 12:35:31 GMT -5
I was watching a news piece the other night, & they were reporting on something & spoke of a website for a company that was no longer active like our "www.vintagechambers.com". They were able to find a captured image of the site in question by going to an internet archive called "Wayback Machine" that's dedicated in preserving lost websites for future reference. I just checked, & they have captures going back to 2007 up to 2016 of our beloved & cherished "www.vintagechambers.com". You have to join to get access it. I didn't join yet, but I wanted to throw this out there if anyone else wants to check it out. If nothing else, it will aid us in reconstructing it or retrieving some of the info. Here's a link to what I did find. Their last snapshot was October 24th 2016 at 20:41:04. It says it was saved 68 times between June 29, 2007 and October 24, 2016. Wayback Machine - vintagechambers.com
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Post by pooka on May 4, 2017 13:26:16 GMT -5
Looky, Looky!!! vintagechambers.comManuals & How-TosI was able to find these by having the exact URL of the pages. I'm not religious, but I'll use the phrase, THIS IS A GOD SEND from techies that are smarter than me having the forethought to create this archive. I'm still working on putting together a folder of stuff to send around to a few key people, because I've got way more stuff than is on this Manuals & How-Tos page. I've joined the Internet archive, so I'll be able to upload things there for posterity. That will be a load off my mind that some of my research will survive beyond my span.
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Post by ronruble on May 4, 2017 15:59:36 GMT -5
YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got the PFD files from the old site GOOD JOB Pooka!
One question - Who is Mark Gessner?
The page about Model C safety cannot be copied to new page without his permision
Copyright (c) 2006-2007 Mark Gessner. All Rights Reserved.
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Post by pooka on May 5, 2017 1:45:30 GMT -5
I haven't a clue. It must have been a member when the site was first started in 2006-2007. Only an original founding member might know. I have a PDF of installation instructions for models B, BZ & C with Todd Whites name at the end that says it's copyrighted 2007-2010. It says the photographs are courtesy of Bill Collins & Don Mattera. It also says it cannot be distributed in any form without the express written permission of Todd White, & has WWW.CHAMBERSTOVE.NET at the very end. I suppose we could come up with our own version. Take our own pics & make our own diagrams to avoid any copyright issues. mach12 could do pics of his latest stove Pepper, since it's probably the cleanest install around. We can throw it out there to other members to collaborate in order to do a version for different models. It's pretty straightforward gas plumbing. There aren't too many ways to do it. I think I've got a pic or two of a stove with the safety valve mounted vertically to the side of the oven. It's just a matter of placing the safety valve in a convenient place where it's plumbed between the thermostat & the oven burner, plug the pilot light outlet on the thermostat, then decide where to tap into the manifold for the new pilot light.
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Post by cinnabar on May 5, 2017 9:15:22 GMT -5
Wasn't lowracer Mark?
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Post by ronruble on May 5, 2017 9:28:06 GMT -5
For now I will add a page to my site with some of the old PDF files of Chambers’ publications. This way it will still be out on the internet. We can always upgrade – new website – or improve later. I will not upload any of the copyright material. I will try to work on it sometime next week. Ron
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Post by pooka on May 5, 2017 12:59:51 GMT -5
cinnabar, I checked the member list. Lowracer joined Oct 19, 2008 at 6:31pm & only has nine posts. The last one was Dec 17, 2009 at 9:53pm. You, or any of the early member are the only ones who might remember who was who from back then.
Ron, I'm wondering if we can regain the "vintagechambers.com" name. The "Vintagechambers.com Magazines - Yumpu" I referenced above is a Swiss company Yumpu. I don't know if they picked up the rights to the "vintagechambers.com" name. We may have to come up with a new name. I'm not tech savvy enough to know if we can copy the code from the internet archive & just put the old site up somewhere else & just update & add to it.
The earliest pre 1920 catalog uses the slogan "The Original And Only". We could call the new site "Chambers - The Original And Only" or "The Original And Only Chambers". The 1920s & earliest 1930s stove logo said "Chambers Fireless Gas Range" The later 1920s logo added "Cooks With The Gas Turned Off!", then in 1930 when they added the Autostat like your stove, they changed to "Chambers Automatic Gas Range, Light it, Set It, Forget It". Somewhere in there is a tag line we could use.
Since we now have access to the old site at the internet archive, I'll go through the folder I was going to send you, & put all the PDFs from there in their own folder, & make a separate folder for other stuff that I've collected. I still want to send my files around to other people like you, so that it's protected from being lost like your stuff was when your computers crashed. As an archivist, I know the loss of a collection can be catastrophic if I put all my eggs in just one basket. Better to have many backup copies spread around to many places.
I'm relieved we could recover the info from the old, now dead site. That's one of the benefits of being a news junkie. You never know when you pick up a useful tidbit of info that will come in handy later. It's best to know a little bit of all thing, because you never know when you may need it. Sometimes it can save your life.
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Post by cinnabar on May 5, 2017 16:26:00 GMT -5
lowracer went by another name as well, that's the one off the top of my brain at this time.
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Post by pooka on May 6, 2017 1:10:35 GMT -5
In his profile it says Username: mossberg44us. He must have joined as that & changed it to lowracer. the only other info it gives his Location: DFW Texas.
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Post by ronruble on May 7, 2017 10:44:53 GMT -5
The recovery of the original website name varies per who is hosting it. Most of the time it can be recovered by the original owner of the web name in the first 30 or 6o days by paying the renewal plus late fee. After that the website name is property of the hosting company or taken by other company for reselling the website names. Sadly they will try to resell the web name at a high cost. Years ago I gave up a website name (did not renew) and they put the name up for sale at $500. A new name cost less than $20 and there is a small chance that the vintagechambers name will be placed on ‘available’ list – cost would be less than $20
I hope we can get the page renewed - would save a lot of work and time.
For the short term fix and get the PDF files on line I will add an HTML page to my site; ronruble.com/chambers
ADDED NOTE I just found this posted on the internet
"Buy this domain The owner of chamberstoves.com is offering it for sale for an asking price of 399 USD!"
Did Todd White forget to pay for this site?? or just selling it? or never owned it? His main site is chamberstoves.net is up and running
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Post by pooka on May 7, 2017 14:02:33 GMT -5
Ron, the last snapshot the Wayback Machine has for chamberstoves.com says it's for sale for US $599. But in looking At earlier Wayback Machine snapshots, they either say "Got an HTTP 302 response at crawl time", or it shows a blank page. I guess no one was using it, but now it's thought to be of value per that $599 price tag I'm seeing. The archive has snapshots from 2002 up to 2016, but there's a gap from 2006 to 2010, then again in 2012 of no snapshots. Todd did say he was selling his literature business some time ago. I don't know if that included the website.I suppose it would have. I just checked his Vintage Servel Refrigerators Homepage at vintageservelrefrigerators.8k.com, & it's gone too. The Wayback Machine has a snapshot of it from December 26th 2016, but nothing after that. It's somewhat of a loss for us locally, because here in my town, we had their factory back when they were still in business. It was the largest refrigerator factory in the world at the time. You sound like you're better versed on this than I am. The technical side of all this is all new to this old bird. I couldn't write code for a website to save my life. I'd have to study up on it. When I first joined these discussion boards, I down loaded an application to make a website, but it was a simple point & click thing that a child could use. It wasn't capable of making anything too complicated. Maybe I need to look into that again, & think about putting up my own site. I'm allowed a certain amount of space from my internet provider.
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Post by ronruble on May 21, 2017 18:50:14 GMT -5
UPDATE: I am working on webpage for Chambers PDF files but this is going slowly. I am having senior moments and CRS remembering how to write HTM pages. It will get done…just slowly.
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