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Post by Chuckie on Jun 13, 2014 14:02:48 GMT -5
This was posted on "the other site"--a gal wrote Dawn, as she couldn't find DPD: "I'm sorry you're unable to locate the Dawn Power Dissolver. However, this product has been discontinued and it’s no longer available. Generally, decisions to start or stop making products are based on consumer demand, so feedback like yours is extremely valuable. Please be assured I'm sharing your disappointment with the rest of our team.
We're glad to hear how satisfied you were with this product. Since the product you loved is gone, you may want to try the Dawn Platinum Erasing Dish Foam. I think you’ll really like it.
In addition, we appreciate your feedback about our website. Please be assured I’m sharing your comments with our webmaster.
Thanks for your continued support."And here's a link to post an email bitchin'! Maybe with enough (as in ONSLAUGHT!) of emails they'll bring it back!! www.dawn-dish.com/us/dawn/supportSo click the link, get on your keyboards, and voice your objections!!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by karitx on Jun 13, 2014 15:19:54 GMT -5
I emailed them!
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Post by Chuckie on Jun 13, 2014 15:25:11 GMT -5
YOU GO GIRL!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by mach12 on Jun 14, 2014 11:19:36 GMT -5
This was posted on "the other site"--a gal wrote Dawn, as she couldn't find DPD: (Rest of quote deleted to save space) Chuckie, Great idea to get as many people as possible to contact Dawn!
On the "gal" reference, my wife says that if I'm lucky I might rise to that level in my next life (for those who haven't seen it on the other site, I posted the response from Dawn over there in a related thread). I'll skip her "too ugly" and other comments, not that I could understand everything with the laughing. Time to head out and work on the Chambers until things quiet down.
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Post by vaporvac on Jun 14, 2014 13:28:52 GMT -5
That's hilarious, mach12!!!! It's funny how we can make assumptions, especially over the web.
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Post by Chuckie on Jun 14, 2014 23:54:20 GMT -5
This was posted on "the other site"--a gal wrote Dawn, as she couldn't find DPD: (Rest of quote deleted to save space) Chuckie, Great idea to get as many people as possible to contact Dawn!
On the "gal" reference, my wife says that if I'm lucky I might rise to that level in my next life (for those who haven't seen it on the other site, I posted the response from Dawn over there in a related thread). I'll skip her "too ugly" and other comments, not that I could understand everything with the laughing. Time to head out and work on the Chambers until things quiet down.
OMG, I'm such a DICKHEAD!!!! I had to go back & re-read my original post, as I KNEW you was a guy, and I thought "OK, newbie blowin' smoke up me arse!" I am SO EMBARRASSED, and apologize PROFUSELY!!! JEEZE-LOUISE, I can't be trusted to do ANYTHING right anymore!!! I keep telling Monkey I'm losing me mind, now I KNOW she knows I'm RIGHT!! MEA CULPA!! Chuckie
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Post by mach12 on Jun 15, 2014 11:47:54 GMT -5
Now I'm embarrassed! I was just having a bit of fun and certainly didn't want to embarrass you Chuckie! I really appreciate all of the great info you've posted and, in particular, have given me on my Chambers - and we appreciated the chuckle.
I really hope everyone will run with your recommendation to contact Dawn!
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Post by Chuckie on Jun 15, 2014 13:06:37 GMT -5
Now I'm embarrassed! I was just having a bit of fun and certainly didn't want to embarrass you Chuckie! I really appreciate all of the great info you've posted and, in particular, have given me on my Chambers - and we appreciated the chuckle. I really hope everyone will run with your recommendation to contact Dawn! No fool, no fun, no harm done!! It's all over & forgotten now, but I WILL start 'previewing' my posts a little more editorially before posting in the future!! LOL CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by karitx on Jun 15, 2014 13:55:42 GMT -5
Don't worry, Chuckie, you're not the only one! Sporko and I have had many discussions where one of us is sure the poster is a man and the other is sure the poster is a woman. We also read/pronounce the more esoteric names *completely* differently.
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Post by mach12 on Jul 7, 2014 21:14:27 GMT -5
I stopped at a Big Lots store today and there on the shelf were a bunch of 12.8 oz. bottles of Dawn Power Dissolver for $2.00 per bottle. The store manager said that he thought that Big Lots bought all the leftover stock from the distributor when Dawn dropped it and said that they had plenty. If you have a Big lots store near you (their website says they have over 1400 stores in 48 states) and you want some Dawn Power Dissolver it sounds like that's the place to look for some.
I'm having real good results with the Zep 505 I bought at Home Depot so will do a comparison on the Chambers 90-C I just got and see how they compare.
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Post by vaporvac on Jul 7, 2014 22:43:56 GMT -5
This is FABULOUS news! I'm on it tomorrow! I'm looking forward to your side-by-side comparison.
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Post by mach12 on Jul 11, 2014 14:05:41 GMT -5
A bit of an update on the Fast 505 & Dawn Power dissolver comparison, I'm really leaning towards the Zep Fast 505 but am concerned about Zep's statements in their FAQs that it's not recommended for use on painted surfaces, glass or chrome. I can't find anything that says why. A quote from their FAQs says: "Zep Commercial FAST 505 Cleaner & Degreaser is a ready-to -use product for use on: hard surfaces, such as metal, aluminum, plastic, wood and roof shingles. It's not a high-foaming cleaner & degreaser. It should be applied to the surface by spraying directly to the surface, wait 1-2 minutes and then rinse and wipe clean".
This stuff is an awesome cleaner and I've cleaned stuff that other cleaners wouldn't touch, like a nasty range hood that I took out of one of my rentals. I couldn't find anything that would clean it so just stuck in a new one. With the Fast 505 it cleaned up in about 15 minutes and it looks fantastic. One person posted a comment that they cut the 505 with water by 50% and it cleans as good as full strength, though I haven't tried it yet.
The Dawn Power Dissolver works great too and might be better for really baked on stuff, though I've only had one thing that I've cleaned that needed that level of cleaning. There was an insulated cookie sheet in the 90-C oven that the owner kept in there to catch drips and it was a mess, so I sprayed each on half of the top and both sides cleaned up the same. Then I turned the sheet over and first tried cleaning the bottom with the 505 and it cleaned well but left some baked on material, so after washing and rinsing it I tried the Dawn and it cleaned up. I really should have done half and half though since I don't know whether a second soaking with 505 would have done the same.
I went to our closest Big Lots to grab some more bottles of it and didn't find it so went back to the one where I saw it and they had even more than the first time. The first time they had a single shelf with about 20 bottles but this time there were two shelves with at least 50 bottles per shelf. Interesting that they're stocking it in some stores but not others. If anyone wants to call their local stores to check on it the Big Lots stock number on my receipt is 810204778.
I wrote to Zep and told them specifically what I'm doing and asked for specifics so we'll see what the response is. I don't want to use a product that will cause an underlying or latent problem, like future corrosion under new paint, so will get that sorted out. I have an old washing machine cabinet that is porcelain enamel so have played a bit to see what happens to the enamel and don't see any effect at all, even where I've sprayed the 505 and left it, then rinsed it the following morning. All I see is a clean, shiny surface.
On the chrome, one of the guys in the FAQs asked about using it to clean his motorcycle engine with lots of chrome and they said it's not recommended for chrome, so I took several old chrome car parts and sprayed them (on a couple I let them sit overnight) and then rinsed them. They look great and darned if I can see any problems. The chrome on the top of the 90-C I just got is shot so I'm going to go ahead and clean it and see how it goes.
Kind of looks like Zep's attorneys are writing the instructions and answering the FAQs and they're being real careful to absolve themselves of any possible liabilities...
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Post by vaporvac on Jul 11, 2014 14:45:34 GMT -5
DDP isn't recommended for painted surfaces either. It will strip it off in no time. It is fine for chrome,aluminum and porcelain, the three biggies with Chambers. Thanks for the update;it's nice to have an alternative. I'm checking out my biglots tomorrow as it's 20% off with their rewards card after 2pm! It will be interesting to hear what they say about chrome.
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Post by mach12 on Jul 11, 2014 18:22:18 GMT -5
I dug through my old wear-ever pans and found the oldest one with the most baked on stuff on the bottom that I could find and for this type of stuff the DPD is hands-down the winner. One big advantage is how it stays where it's sprayed, where the 505 is a thin liquid and runs to the low spots. The bottom of this pan is really uneven so the 505 cleaned pretty well where it settled (though still not as well as DPD) but not very well at the high spots. Might work to spray, lay a piece of paper towel on the area and spray the towel to make sure it's wet.
This is how the pan looked before I started:
I sprayed DPD on half of the bottom, let it soak 30 minutes, scrubbed it lightly with a dish brush and rinsed:
Then I did the other half with Zep Fast 505, 30 minute soak and same light scrub:
The 505 works great for the built up and dried-on grease but the DPD takes off the baked-on stuff so to conserve the DPD that I have I'll probably pre-clean with 505 and then hit what the 505 didn't remove with DPD. At least until I can find another product.
I got a note back from Procter and Gamble on my request for DPD info. One of the things I asked was, when they discontinued DPD, what did they replace it with? Here's their response - hot off the press: "Since the product you loved is gone, you may want to try our Dawn Platinum Erasing Dish Foam. I think you’ll really like it". I'll grab a bottle and try it out. On their website it looks more like something for cleaning just a dish or two when you don't need to do a full sink or dishwasher full but I can't very well press the issue with them if I don't try it. No response yet from Zep on my info request from them.
Someone posted some info on another product that worked well for them and I wanted to try that, too, but darned if I can find the thread (I've looked on both sites). Does anyone remember what it was?
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Post by melissaf on Jul 11, 2014 19:49:24 GMT -5
Someone posted some info on another product that worked well for them and I wanted to try that, too, but darned if I can find the thread (I've looked on both sites). Does anyone remember what it was?
I posted on the other site about Krud Kutter Original. Nobody in my area, including Big Lots, has Dawn Power Dissolver. I've used the Krud Kutter on pretty much everything from my bathtub, stainless steel range hood, soapstone countertop, greasy parts off of my Chambers A, porcelain and plastic interior parts on my Servel refrigerator that I'm restoring. So far I haven't found anything it wouldn't clean. I even tried it on a baked on spill that the self cleaning cycle on my electric oven wouldn't remove and the Krud Kutter took it off. Here are some before and after pictures of the oven interior on my Chambers A that I tested it out on. I sprayed the entire oven and wiped it off. Before I could even finished spraying, the baked on black gunk on the top of the oven was dripping off. There were only a couple of small areas that I had to spray a second time. In total, I may have spent 20 minutes cleaning the oven. I got the Krud Kutter at Home Depot. A 32oz spray bottle is $5.97 and a gallon refill is $12.97. The bottle says it will remove latex paint. I've used it on enamel paint and didn't have any problems.
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Post by mach12 on Jul 11, 2014 22:21:39 GMT -5
That was it! Man I hate losing my mind!! That really looks like awesome stuff and I'm going to get a bottle to check out. I'm hoping to start cleaning my Chambers A and hope the oven comes out looking as good as yours does! I'm still trying to find replacement parts for the broken broiler linkage so may end up doing the C first. Thanks for posting the info and pictures!
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Post by mach12 on Jul 18, 2014 13:47:36 GMT -5
I thought maybe I'd found a good alternative to DPD since it lists the same primary ingredient in the MSDS so bought a bottle and tried it. It cleaned pretty well but DPD was a lot better. I did the DPD first with a 30 minute soak and then the other cleaner, Weimar Gas Range cleaner, also with a 30 minute soak, on the bottom of the In-a-Top Griddle from my Chambers A. I finally got a bottle of Krud Kutter so will do some comparisons with that and post the results. Here are a couple of pictures showing the Weimar vs. DPD:
Bottom of griddle before cleaning:
After Cleaning:
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Post by mach12 on Jan 5, 2015 17:26:55 GMT -5
I thought maybe I'd found a good alternative to DPD since it lists the same primary ingredient in the MSDS so bought a bottle and tried it. It cleaned pretty well but DPD was a lot better. I did the DPD first with a 30 minute soak and then the other cleaner, Weimar Gas Range cleaner, also with a 30 minute soak, on the bottom of the In-a-Top Griddle from my Chambers A. I finally got a bottle of Krud Kutter so will do some comparisons with that and post the results. Here are a couple of pictures showing the Weimar vs. DPD:
Bottom of griddle before cleaning:
After Cleaning: January 5, 2015 Update: I've been trying a bunch of different products to find a DPD alternative and haven't had any luck. I decided to give Zep foaming spray a try and so far it's the closest to DPD that I've come across. It didn't say anything on the can about it removing baked on deposits, only that it was a degreaser, so I basically just blew past it in my earlier searches. I've tried it on a couple of items and it has worked nicely both times. DPD is a bit faster and didn't need any scrubbing, where the Zep needed a real light scrub with a non-scratching nylon scrub pad. End result was virtually identical! The Zep actually wiped off a bit easier with a damp sponge, where DPD took a couple of damp sponge rinses after cleaning before I got the residue off, so there's a slight trade off. Following is a photo showing the DPD cleaned part of an aluminum roaster on the left and the ZEP part on the right. I left the center untouched, other than the initial wash of the pan in regular Dawn dish detergent, for comparison. The "runs" of clean area in the center strip are where some carburetor cleaner spray ran down when I was cleaning tape adhesive off of the sides. I normally use WD-40 to remove adhesive but it wouldn't touch it so went to the next level. ZEP says it's safe for aluminum.
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Post by nana on Jan 5, 2015 18:44:39 GMT -5
A slower, but possibly less toxic alternative: Take a large, heavy duty plastic garbage bag, place the item to be de-gunked inside, on a empty tuna fish can to hold it above the level of the cup or two of plain (non-sudsing ammonia) that you also pour into the bag, then seal the whole shebang up tight, and put in an out of the way spot for a day or two. The ammonia fumes will soften even the toughest baked on grease, which can then be scraped, scrubbed or wiped off, depending on how bad it was to begin with, with the aid of a little soap and water. I figure since anything that goes down my drain can eventually find its way to my water well, well diluted ammonia, while not totally benign (DON"T BREATHE IT IN!!!) is more biodegradable than some of the other things out there. You can put a bowl in a warm oven and leave it overnight to help clean, but you will smell it. Actually, maybe not in a Chambers, right?
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Post by chipperhiker on Jan 5, 2015 19:31:51 GMT -5
Mach12, it looks like the ZEP degreaser did an excellent job, and it's labeled safe for aluminum. That's excellent. I have a few things that really need some serious work, but I haven't been able to get myself to use anything too aggressive for fear of causing damage. Thanks for running that test. I also use WD-40 to remove adhesive. I started using it on a whim one day because I was sick and tired of smelling the nasty petroleum-derived goof-off-type cleaners. The fake citrus smell had a bad habit of lingering. Just when i thought I was doing something new...
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Post by nana on Jan 5, 2015 19:37:08 GMT -5
Although I secretly love the smell of WD-40, don't overlook Avon Skin-So-Soft as a really sweet smelling adhesive remover!!
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Post by vaporvac on Jan 5, 2015 22:42:17 GMT -5
Nana, I might be careful cleaning anything aluminum with ammonia or Automatic DW detergent. You should be good in the oven cavity,but not on the griddle, or broiler pan.
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Post by nana on Jan 6, 2015 17:13:52 GMT -5
Does the ammonia do something to aluminum? I was trying to think back, and I guess I've cleaned oven racks, the grease filter for my vent hood (Now there was a job!!), my broiler pan and so on with the ammonia,but maybe not anything plain aluminum.
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Post by nana on Jan 6, 2015 17:24:54 GMT -5
As an interesting bit of trivia: Aluminum used to be the most precious metal in the world. So much so that Napoleon III had a set of aluminum cutlery to use when he wanted to impress really important guests. Ordinary run of the mill nobles had to make do with gold. The top of the Washington Monument is an aluminum tip, apparently to show off what an up and coming nation we were at the time. Then they figured out how to separate it from its ore very easily and it became the stuff of soda cans and TV dinner trays. I still like it though. I wouldn't want to ruin any of my cookware, that's for sure!
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Post by vaporvac on Jan 6, 2015 18:13:03 GMT -5
It will ruin it. The ammonia will pit and oxidize the metal. I didn't know about the autodw detergent, until my BF put my perfectly polished triple in there to wash. It looks so bad I only use it for cooking and don't leave in out anymore. Cream of tartar will bring it back, but it's too big to fit in a pot.
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Post by mach12 on Jan 6, 2015 20:20:51 GMT -5
Interesting history on aluminum. Classic supply and demand thing. It really revolutionized production and the alloys are awesome. My Dad was an engineer for Boeing and the stuff they took into consideration was amazing. It's pretty fascinating.
I remember reading an article about cleaning burner pans with ammonia the way you described and always thought I'd try it but it's still on the "to do" list. My two favorite cleaners are ammonia and white vinegar and are always my first choice, though for large projects I still like something quick like DPD. I don't know that I've ever cleaned aluminum with ammonia. We're on a well too, plus have a creek that feeds critical salmon spawning grounds so need to minimize chemical contamination. When doing car work I use a combination of environmentally safe products and disposal through our hazmat facility, which is free and easy. It doesn't eliminate it 100% but cuts it way down.
I've come across some good stuff trying the different products. For general cleanup the Zep 505 and Krud Kutter sprays work really well. I'm not at all impressed with Dawn's current products except for one of them. I bought a bottle of the foam that you put on a sponge and will have a bottle of that next to the sink from here on out. I don't put a lot of things in the dishwasher, like pots and pans. With this stuff I just dampen a sponge, put a couple of dabs of the Dawn foam on it, them wash and rinse the pans. Works great and gets the pots and pans back up on the pot rack and knives in the block quickly. I just did some cleaning on our kitchen stove and used the Zep foam and it cleaned well but I used too much spray and it wasn't cleaning up as well as it did with the pans. After the first wipe with the damp sponge there was still a lot of soap so I took an old dry hand towel and wiped it dry and then did a final wipe with a damp sponge and it worked great. I'd still rate DPD as better but at least there's something out there that works well and it easy to find (I bought mine at Lowe's). I'm still looking and have a couple of commercial products in mind that I plan to pick up this week.
Chipperhiker - I used Zep 505 to clean the screens on my range hood and it took off stuff I had never been able to get off, even after hours of soaking. Mine is the typical aluminum foil type and the foil looked fine after cleaning. I sprayed both sides, set the timer for 10 minutes, and then rinsed it under running hot water. It wouldn't surprise me to see the same results with Krud Kutter. I don't remember how I learned about using WD-40 to remove adhesive but it was from someone else so, unlike with you, it wasn't very original. You're way ahead of me on the WD-40!
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Post by chipperhiker on Jan 6, 2015 23:28:29 GMT -5
Thanks for making me feel better, mach12! : )
Next time I go to Lowe's, I'm looking for the Zep 505. I'm very excited. I am embarrassed to admit that I forgot a batch of olive oil and a few popcorn kernels in my single kettle in the t-well a few months ago. I usually do a tiny test pop to get the well and pan and oil up to temp before adding the whole dose of popcorn. When the test kernels pop I add the rest. Anyway, this day I got distracted and entirely forgot about it until I started to smell something. Let's just say my poor kettle hasn't been the same since. It was black inside, and I've done a lot of scrubbing and used it int eh meanwhile, but it's not great. Can't wait to try the Z505 on it and see I can make the poor thing pretty again. Or at least presentable.
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Post by mach12 on Jan 7, 2015 1:04:08 GMT -5
I kind of confused the issue by rambling too much, (which my kids will tell you is classic me, lol). The Zep 505 is the degreaser spray and comes in a trigger sprayer bottle and a gallon refill jug. It's really good stuff for a lot of the cleaning but was kind of mediocre at baked on stuff. The other Zep product, heavy-duty foaming degreaser, that I used in the most recent comparison comes in the aerosol can that's in the picture with the oval roaster and the bottle of DPD. That's the stuff you'll want to try. Sorry about the confusion.
I've bought several pieces of old cookware that were really messed up with burnt on stuff from things just like happened to you and are trying several commercial products. A friend of mine owns a restaurant and I finally remembered to pick his brain the other day. He recommended a couple of different products and I just need to get to the supplier. Have you tried cream of tartar and vinegar? I've had really good luck getting stuff off the inside by putting about an inch of water in it, heating the water to a boil, and then putting in a Tablespoon of Cream of Tartar and a Tablespoon of white vinegar, then cover if possible and then turn it down to low for 5 or 10 minutes. Sometimes it takes doing it two or three times as the stuff gets loose and comes off in layers.
Here's a picture of the Zep 505 (Not the one for heavy, burned on material) and the Foaming Degreaser (which did much better with heavy deposits):
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Post by chipperhiker on Jan 7, 2015 20:39:55 GMT -5
I did try both cream of tartar and vinegar. Boiled one time, let them sit for a couple days the next time. They weren't terribly effective. I got the most progress with Barkeeper's Friend (oxalic acid) and a whole lot of elbow grease. I eventually kind of gave up, but you've inspired me to give it another shot. I"ll go find the Foaming Degreaser. Thanks for the clarification, mach 12!
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Post by Chuckie on Jan 7, 2015 22:50:47 GMT -5
I did try both cream of tartar and vinegar. Boiled one time, let them sit for a couple days the next time. They weren't terribly effective. I got the most progress with Barkeeper's Friend (oxalic acid) and a whole lot of elbow grease. I eventually kind of gave up, but you've inspired me to give it another shot. I"ll go find the Foaming Degreaser. Thanks for the clarification, mach 12! chipper: I had a pot once that resisted ALL such cleaning--including the one you outlined above. I took that pot (a single-triple) to a local automotive place, because my Uncle Jack YEARS AGO was friends w/the owner, & they had a 'sandblaster' that used like WALNUT HULLS or some organic thing to blast stuff, & that owner let me blast some 'antiques' I discovered in a ditch as a child (kept me occupied while they were busy elsewhere with other important adult things--i.e. cards, beer, etc). The new guy that owns the place (a friend MY age-ish) said to leave it & he'd see what he could do. Long story short, said blasting machine did NOT EVEN TOUCH the stuff that was on there per him, so he took it upon himself to put it in a PARTS CLEANING BATH to see what THAT would do for it (*groan*)--found that info out when I went to collect it. Cleaning bath never fazed it either, and the pot (once a "cooking" pot) now sits on top the icebox & holds pop-tops from beer cans in anticipation for the next line of nieces/nephews collecting them for school... Best luck I ever had w/a burned-on aluminum Chambers pot was DPD & a brillo pad--it's STILL shiny as hell, BUT as an aside, that combo never FAZED that pot I'd picked up & took to the automotive shop... CHEERS! Chuckie
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