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Post by 58limited on Jun 15, 2012 20:52:34 GMT -5
This was just delivered today. One oven door handle is missing - have the chrome part, just need the plastic insert. The side panels have chips and are bent, all chrome needs to be redone, rest is OK and pretty clean. Timer works, clock won't be tested until i rewire everything. Valves all turn freely. It has: 8 burners, large 20" griddle, two ovens, one big broiler and two small drawer broilers underneath, one small storage drawer. It is supposed to be in working condition, may test it out this weekend.
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Post by cinnabar on Jun 15, 2012 21:30:48 GMT -5
wow, it's a bus!
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Post by karitx on Jun 15, 2012 22:02:56 GMT -5
Very cool! I used to lust after a green one of those on one of the stove restoration websites, but I haven't seen many of them for sale elsewhere. If I remember right, it's a 60" stove - that would have taken up about half of one wall of my kitchen!
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Post by sporko on Jun 15, 2012 22:14:46 GMT -5
what's that on the far, far right? ...a dark circle near the knobs.
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Post by 58limited on Jun 16, 2012 6:39:34 GMT -5
The thing on the far right is the CP emblem, I think its brass. I can't remember what CP means - too early yet and I need coffee. My O&M has it printed on the porcelain in black, like the ON/OFF scripts by the burner valves.
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Post by pooka on Jun 16, 2012 9:05:56 GMT -5
I knew I'd seen that "CP" logo on O'Keefe & Merritt stoves, but I had to look around to figure out what it meant. I thought it might be a trademark for some feature that was owned my another company like Robertshaw or other. Here's what I found. According to antiquegasstoves.com, it indicates that the stove has a safety system for the oven / broiler. www.antiquegasstoves.com/pages/glossary.htmlIf my research is correct, "CP" is a trade mark of G.A.M.A. (Gas Appliance Manufacturer Association). This article from the Gettysburg Times - May 7, 1965 entitled "New Kitchen, Modern Range Makes Moving More Pleasant", mentions GAMA several times. news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2202&dat=19650507&id=e0wmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Mv4FAAAAIBAJ&pg=1959,4291012 This issue has a number of articles about cooking & kitchen appliances that are rather humorous given the passage of time & the changes in the way we cook today verses yesteryear. There must have been a convention or trade show of kitchen appliance manufacturers in town that week. ;D To get back to your new baby, that's cool, but what a monster. ;D It makes me think that that's the kind of stove Lucille Ball should have had in the old movie called "Yours, Mine and Ours" where she had 10 children in her blended family. ;D
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Post by 54monroe on Jun 16, 2012 10:08:26 GMT -5
The "CP" means "Certified Performance". In the mid 30's a new class of ranges were being produced industry wide.G.A.M.A created these standards to help educate the consumer on the modern ranges being produced. There were 21 mandatory requirements a stove had to meet to be allowed to display the "CP" logo. Chambers met 18 of the requirements...but fell short on top burner BTU ratings and automatic lighting for the oven and broiler.
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Post by pooka on Jun 16, 2012 11:17:53 GMT -5
That's interesting & informative to know. I'll have to save that information to my files for future reference.
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Post by 58limited on Jun 16, 2012 11:42:48 GMT -5
Here is a close-up of the emblem:
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Post by sporko on Jun 16, 2012 12:26:49 GMT -5
I guess that is the "energy star" or "UL Listed" of the day.
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Post by homemaker on Jun 21, 2012 11:45:13 GMT -5
My sister owned a range like this about 25 years ago. Her kitchen was large so it fit perfectly. The movers that transferred it to her new house dropped it from the back of their semi. It was ruined and had to be junked unfortunately. I remember that The Old Appliance Club had a full article about CP ranges. You can still get it at this link - www.antiquestoves.com/toac/theoldroadhome10thyear.htm#Spring 2001 - Look for Spring 2001 - CP Stove Specifications I wish I could fit that stove into my kitchen!
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Post by chipperhiker on Jun 22, 2012 21:16:51 GMT -5
That is a gorgeous stove. Once upon a time I seriously considered a Roper as my vintage stove of choice. That was before the Chambers bug bit, of course, but that Town & Country still tugs at me.
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Post by roethlisberger on Jun 24, 2012 18:51:42 GMT -5
The movers that transferred it to her new house dropped it from the back of their semi. It was ruined and had to be junked unfortunately. Ouch, I bet all the neighbors heard that from inside their houses ...the crash, then the screaming!
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Post by 58limited on Oct 6, 2013 15:30:38 GMT -5
Well, I started to pull this stove apart today. It is in much better shape than the Imperial therefore I can get it going soon. Plus, one of my college buds might want it - his wife is remodeling and I sent a pic of it, they went gaga over it. I have sent an inquiry for the chrome (10 burner knob trim rings, two oven knob rings, two oven knob trim pieces, six oven door handles, upper vent trim, three upper vent grates, backsplash trim for timer/clock, and the light reflector). There is not as much chrome on this as you would think - my 35 1/2" O'Keefe & Merritt has more.
The eight burner grates will be re-enameled. Only one burner has noticable chipped enamel - not worth redoing. All burner valves will be cleaned and regreased. I'll clean the oven and griddle burners and paint them with high temp automotive exhaust paint - they will look like new cast iron and the stove won't get hot enough to burn the paint off. I'll send the aluminum parts (griddle, broiler pans) off for professional polishing. I decided to have the oven T-stats rebuilt, even though I have not tested them. As old as they are, I think I should start from ground zero with them. Part of the reason is I fixed a Chambers B for a friend. It worked fine about 9 months and then the T-stat quit. Might as well rebuild them while the stove is apart and they can be accessed easily.
I have a donor 40" Roper with good side panels. I swapped them today and they fit perfectly - them I took them back off as I disassembled the stove. I probably would not be tearing into the stove this far if it weren't for the fact that the rear legs - stamped steel - are bent and I have to tip the stove on it's back to repair them. I have to remove the top, sides, and backsplash to do this to prevent damage. Since I'm doing that, I'll just clean everything and check door insulation, etc. All of the porcelain is in great shape - no panels need to be redone. There is a 1/8 chip on the left edge of the top and a 1/2" chip at the back center of the left side panel which can be fixed with a touch up kit - that is all.
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 6, 2013 16:48:10 GMT -5
W-O-W, sounds like you lucked out on the T&C!! Congrats!
CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 7, 2013 9:14:04 GMT -5
I have sent an inquiry for the chrome David: I have NOT used these guys YET--going to on the Imperial--but EVERYBODY in this area SWEARS by them. I have emailed back & forth numerous times, and spoke to him on the phone as well. They will give you a "ballpark" via pix/emails, but said NOTHING IS A GUARANTEED PRICE until they have the parts in their POSSESSION to assess them. Again, dunno anything PERSONALLY about them, but they sound reasonable & I get "good vibes" from them: Brian Kauffman Performance Plating, Inc. 913-764-5135 perfplating@sbcglobal.net www.performanceplating.comCHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by 58limited on Oct 9, 2013 14:58:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Chuckie. My chrome shop, Superior in Houston quoted: low end = $1000, high end (parts need work and smoothing) = $2000. I sent an inquiry to your link above to see if they have a better price, and I asked Grapevine Sally on ebay for her shop - the items she is selling look great and the prices are good.
I haven't priced chrome in a few years - it has really gone up.
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Post by Chuckie on Oct 9, 2013 15:24:22 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Chuckie. My chrome shop, Superior in Houston quoted: low end = $1000, high end (parts need work and smoothing) = $2000. I sent an inquiry to your link above to see if they have a better price, and I asked Grapevine Sally on ebay for her shop - the items she is selling look great and the prices are good. I haven't priced chrome in a few years - it has really gone up. W-O-W!!! Here's what they quoted me 12/2012 ("support arms" lift the cast iron griddle up): The handles will be around $25-50 each depending on the what kind of metal they are and condition. The latches are smaller so they would be less. The griddle around $100-175. The two support arms around $25 each. Thanks.Again, the bottom of their email goes on to read: ALL PRICES GIVEN VIA E-MAIL OR TELEPHONE ARE ESTIMATES. THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN GIVE YOU AN EXACT QUOTE OVER THE TELEPHONE OR VIA E-MAIL. FINAL PRICES MAY VARY WHEN THE ACTUAL PARTS ARE SEEN IN PERSON.And that writing is actually RED too!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by 58limited on Oct 9, 2013 22:01:08 GMT -5
Superior's prices are actually similar. Keep in mind the Roper has a lot of small $30-50 parts: 10 chrome knob trim rings for instance, so that is $300-500 right there, plus the two oven knob rings and the wedge trim in the center - add another $130-200 for those, then we got the 6 oven/broiler door handles and then there are still another six bigger items such as the backsplash trim, so Superior's price probably isn't out of line, I just want a couple of estimates.
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Post by 58limited on Oct 14, 2013 7:21:24 GMT -5
Well, just got the quote from Performance - it is much cheaper: $630 for everything, estimated.
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Post by 58limited on Apr 22, 2014 20:11:27 GMT -5
I sent the aluminum off to be polished and it came back today. It looks amazing, I hate to ever use it! Here is contact info: Ray Carpenter, email - ray@afchromebolts.com If you need some aluminum polished, send Ray some photos for a quote. Thanks to Steve Sansone (54monroe) for the referral.
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Post by Chuckie on Apr 22, 2014 21:40:56 GMT -5
I sent the aluminum off to be polished and it came back today. It looks amazing, I hate to ever use it! ONE WORD comes to mind--- W-O-W!!!!!!!!!! Dunno if I WOULD use them, they look so GOOD!! You may have to do like us Chambers folks do, and buy ANOTHER set to COOK (ala our Chambers griddle), and leave THOSE on for show & tell!! CONGRATS, they look GREAT!!! CHEERS! Chuckie
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Post by 58limited on Sept 17, 2021 20:01:52 GMT -5
Hi everyone! I haven't done too many projects in the past few years - been busy with life plus I had to overhaul the engine on my 1953 Chevy truck and my 1974 Ford 1 ton (plus a complete brake system overhaul on the 1 ton - big heavy hard to find parts!). Plus, this past year has been busy at work. The veterinary business was killing it during Covid which was a bit surprising. We were getting ready to scale everything back as the lockdowns were initiated but we ended up having one of the busiest years ever. I'm starting to get back on other projects now including this 1949 Roper T&C. In the past year: I had all of the burner grates and pilot covers re-enameled - I dropped and broke one and had to send it back for repair. This past week I sent the backsplash chrome off to Salt Lake Chrome. I have some of the cast iron at a local shop getting bead blasted; I'll paint them with automotive exhaust paint - they will look like natural cast iron. I sent the two burner valves to Repco for rebuilding. They don't generally deal directly with the public, only businesses with a Federal tax number. It can be any business. I told them I was a veterinarian, not really a stove shop. They laughed and said it doesn't matter. I figured out how to remove the broilers (they slide out and even tip up like a drawer but do not come out of their tracks like a drawer - this had me confused for a bit): a little light (being able to see is rather nice) and some clearing of the work area around the stove for better access revealed two brass screws at the front of each broiler drawer. These are what held them onto the slide tracks. All I need to remove now are the oven burners (which will also be bead blasted and painted) and the oven doors. At that point a good bit of the weight will be off of the stove and I can address the bent feet. I'm considering fabricating a platform with casters to mount to the bottom in lieu of the original stove feet.
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Post by mach12 on Sept 18, 2021 7:44:45 GMT -5
Great to see a post from you! I often wonder how you're doing, especially while Chuckie was doing his Imperial. Miss your recipe posts. Your Roper looks like an Awesome project. Somewhere I have a photo of a Town & Country that was in the kitchen of a house that belonged to one of the famous singers, (Frank Sinatra?) but just looked and didn't find it. I'll have to do more digging. I download this stuff and file it using a name that fits, then forget the name. I need a better system.
I love those old Stovebolt Chevy's. I had two 53's but traded them to my brother some years ago and he has them up in Alaska. Still have my 48 COE sitting here waiting for some attention but probably time to just sell it. I have a bunch of Chambers sitting here waiting too. Some Standard Heaters (the ones with the incinerator built on), a couple of C's, and a BZ, but haven't done a lot since my surgery last year.
The site here has been pretty quiet but I see the same thing on some of the others that I follow. Hope we get past this Covid stuff pretty soon.
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Post by 58limited on Sept 18, 2021 17:12:01 GMT -5
Got a call this morning. My machine shop finished bead blasting the parts I dropped off yesterday so I went and dropped off the broiler burner and the two oven burners that I removed this morning to be blasted and picked up the finished parts. I painted them with high temperature Factory Gray (cast iron color) automotive exhaust paint from Eastwood - rated to 1200 degrees. Pilot lights, flash tube assemblies, and griddle burner. Attachments:
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Post by 58limited on Sept 18, 2021 19:37:57 GMT -5
Mach12, good to be back and doing things. I've had other interests but I decided I need to get back to the appliances.
17 or 18 years ago an O'Keefe & Merritt Aristocrat stove came up on ebay, it was being offered by the person who bought Fred Astaire's house and was original to the house. I bid - a lot - but I was outbid.
As far as recipes, the one thing I have done a lot of the in past few years is up my cooking game. I'll start posting some good recipes soon.
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Post by mach12 on Sept 18, 2021 23:51:33 GMT -5
I remember reading about the Astaire O/M. Did you post about it? Or maybe I saw it somewhere else.
I've just started getting back into cooking. After having the tumor removed 15 months ago (acoustic neuroma) my sense of taste was totally gone for about a year, then the right side came back, and in the last couple of months I've started regaining taste on the left. My first full meal that wasn't from a recipe was just a few weeks ago. Just a roast and all the fixings, cooked with the gas turned off, of course, and man did it come out great. Doesn't sound like much but it was a major milestone for me. Looking forward to some new cooking ideas!
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Post by 58limited on Sept 19, 2021 8:16:22 GMT -5
Yes, I posted about the Astaire O/M way back in time.
So sorry to hear about your tumor but glad things are returning to normal. I don't know what I would do if I lost the sense of taste.
A lot of my cooking for the past few years is grilling/BBQ style but I also have some good stove top and oven recipes. I have also been playing around with Mexican/Southwest/TexMex cuisine and Indian cuisine. I made an awesome red Hatch chili enchilada sauce last year, I'll post that recipe today.
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Post by 58limited on Sept 21, 2021 19:32:16 GMT -5
Broiler burner and two oven burners. Attachments:
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Post by chipperhiker on Oct 19, 2021 15:01:54 GMT -5
Glad to see that you are back in the appliance game, 58limited! I can't wait to see how your T&C comes out. I still have that pang of envy when I look at them.
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